Guest Olof Posted April 9, 2007 Share #1 Â Posted April 9, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) Did your dealer tell you some secrets about new M-Lenses ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Shootist Posted April 9, 2007 Share #2 Â Posted April 9, 2007 Why did your dealer say something? What new M lens would you want? It seems to me that all ranges are fairly well covered right now. You can have from 16mm to 135mm. I myself would look at and possibly buy a straight 18mm f/2.8 but more then likely it would cost about the same as the current WATE and would only be 1 stop faster. So I doubt Leica would see much of a demand for it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lars_bergquist Posted April 9, 2007 Share #3  Posted April 9, 2007 That 16 mm 2.8 is a pipe-dream: Big, heavy, expensive and just as un-M-like as the present combination of WATE and 'Frankenfinder'. You could just as well dream up a 16 mm f:2. I'd go for a 4.0 that's affordable and luggable. Meanwhile, I make do with the C/V 15 mm, and very well, thank you.  Two more realistic wishes would be a Apo-Telyt 135 with goggles, and a 24 mm Summicron – now when this focal length does barely correspond to that of a 28 on the full format.  The old man from the Age of the IIIa Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hankg Posted April 9, 2007 Share #4  Posted April 9, 2007 That 16 mm 2.8 is a pipe-dream: Big, heavy, expensive and just as un-M-like as the present combination of WATE and 'Frankenfinder'. You could just as well dream up a 16 mm f:2. I'd go for a 4.0 that's affordable and luggable. Meanwhile, I make do with the C/V 15 mm, and very well, thank you. Two more realistic wishes would be a Apo-Telyt 135 with goggles, and a 24 mm Summicron – now when this focal length does barely correspond to that of a 28 on the full format. I'll second that.  The goggles make the 135/2.8 very usable especially with the addition of a magnifier. It's a bit dim with all that extra glass but I'm able to focus accurately, no problem.  How about a fixed focus, fixed aperture hologon sized lens with a special combination IR/center filter - 12 or 16mm f/5.6 or f/8 with finder parralex corrected for the fixed focus and frames for film and M8? Correcting for only one aperture and focal length Leica should be able to produce the best performing ultra-wide in history at a fraction of the cost and size of the WATE or the Zeiss. The finder and filter will probably cost as much as the lens.  Making a fast 24 practical is reason for one reduced format digital lens. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Olof Posted April 9, 2007 Share #5 Â Posted April 9, 2007 Why did your dealer say something?What new M lens would you want? It seems to me that all ranges are fairly well covered right now. You can have from 16mm to 135mm. I myself would look at and possibly buy a straight 18mm f/2.8 but more then likely it would cost about the same as the current WATE and would only be 1 stop faster. So I doubt Leica would see much of a demand for it. Â Â Whats about a 1.4 75mm ASPH ? Whats about a 2.0 75mm chromed Whats about a 16mm ? Whats about a 2.8 90mm ASPH ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MP3 Posted April 9, 2007 Share #6 Â Posted April 9, 2007 A compact 24/2 asph would be great. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlesphoto99 Posted April 9, 2007 Share #7 Â Posted April 9, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) My bet is on a 50mm Asph Summicron, maybe slightly retro designed with tabs and at a slightly lower price point ala the new 28. Boring, I know, but easy for Leica to do and would complete their basic line of asph. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Olof Posted April 9, 2007 Share #8 Â Posted April 9, 2007 A compact 24/2 asph would be great. Â not possible, you cant make a faster AND smaller lens.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hankg Posted April 9, 2007 Share #9 Â Posted April 9, 2007 not possible, you cant make a faster AND smaller lens.... Â You can if you reduce the image circle by 1.33 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted April 9, 2007 Share #10  Posted April 9, 2007 24/2 asph & 50/2 asph  Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted April 9, 2007 Share #11 Â Posted April 9, 2007 Right now for me would be the 24 f2 i would be in the line for that one. A 135 f2 apo would also make my heart rate go up. And they should make a 15mm F4 lens Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
minglancelot Posted April 9, 2007 Share #12 Â Posted April 9, 2007 what about a noctilux 50mm asph? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted April 9, 2007 Share #13 Â Posted April 9, 2007 They did that once - it was so difficult to produce that it was replaced by the current Noctilux. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkreithen Posted April 10, 2007 Share #14 Â Posted April 10, 2007 How about a compact 75mm APO-Elmarit (f2.8, of course). It would be a nice companion to the new 28mm ASPH Elmarit and is in line with their recent statements about "more affordable" lenses (if you can believe that!). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Olof Posted April 10, 2007 Share #15 Â Posted April 10, 2007 You can if you reduce the image circle by 1.33 Â OK and when the fullframe M9 comes in 4 years, you can buy new lenses.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted April 10, 2007 Share #16 Â Posted April 10, 2007 OK and when the fullframe M9 comes in 4 years, you can buy new lenses.... Â Assuming one would want to exchange the M8 for that M9. I never saw the sense in jumping on the full-frame bandwagon when I still was with Canon for digital, so I suppose my attitude won't change here. One wider lens is less expensive and more tangible than a vaporware (for now) M9. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosuna Posted April 10, 2007 Share #17 Â Posted April 10, 2007 They did that once - it was so difficult to produce that it was replaced by the current Noctilux. Â The aspherical Noctilux design is from 1966. The aspherics technology wasn't perfected until much later. Leica started a new generation of lenses based on Aspherics in 1989, with the first Summilux 35mm Aspherical. Even then, a new version was necessary (the 1994 Summilux 35mm ASPH). When Mandler designed the current Noctilux, in the 70's, he used the technology available for a rationally economic production. I think Leica can design a new Noctilux at this moment with more advanced technology. The problem is the production process, the costs (fixed and variable) and the economies of scale. Leica will develop a new Noctilux when a much improved version at lower costs is possible. There are technical and economic constraints. Â The Summicron 75mm ASPH, for instance, costs 2,400 euros (taxes included) at this moment. A new Summilux 75mm ASPH would sell for more than 3,000 euros. The scale of production would be quite small (few units sold per year in the long run). I don't know if APO correction and floating lens elements in a small size are possible in a f/1.4 design, and I don't know if there exists a market for two 75mm lenses. The problems are similar with a possible Noctilux ASPH design. Even worse, its point of reference (price-features-performance) for a new Noctilux would be the Summilux 50mm ASPH. Â It is not easy to know how the M line will evolve in the future. Wishes are just wishes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lars_bergquist Posted April 10, 2007 Share #18  Posted April 10, 2007 Right now for me would be the 24 f2 i would be in the line for that one. A 135 f2 apo would also make my heart rate go up. And they should make a 15mm F4 lens  Guy, that 135 f:2 would be impossible to rangefinder focus. Already at that focal length, and with the full format, the focusing screen of an SLR is more accurate than the rangefinder. It is a simple matter of geometry. f:3.4 is the most that can be wrung out of a goggle-less 135, maybe 2.5 with one with them.—Also, you would need a small wheelbarrow ... most un-M2-like.  The old man from the Age of the 135 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted April 10, 2007 Share #19  Posted April 10, 2007 The aspherical Noctilux design is from 1966. The aspherics technology wasn't perfected until much later. Leica started a new generation of lenses based on Aspherics in 1989, with the first Summilux 35mm Aspherical. Even then, a new version was necessary (the 1994 Summilux 35mm ASPH). When Mandler designed the current Noctilux, in the 70's, he used the technology available for a rationally economic production. I think Leica can design a new Noctilux at this moment with more advanced technology. The problem is the production process, the costs (fixed and variable) and the economies of scale. Leica will develop a new Noctilux when a much improved version at lower costs is possible. There are technical and economic constraints. The Summicron 75mm ASPH, for instance, costs 2,400 euros (taxes included) at this moment. A new Summilux 75mm ASPH would sell for more than 3,000 euros. The scale of production would be quite small (few units sold per year in the long run). I don't know if APO correction and floating lens elements in a small size are possible in a f/1.4 design, and I don't know if there exists a market for two 75mm lenses. The problems are similar with a possible Noctilux ASPH design. Even worse, its point of reference (price-features-performance) for a new Noctilux would be the Summilux 50mm ASPH.  It is not easy to know how the M line will evolve in the future. Wishes are just wishes.  Yes- correct.However, the wizards in Solms always manage to come up with surprises and "impossible" lenses. A nice prospect for us users, though less so for our wallets.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lars_bergquist Posted April 10, 2007 Share #20  Posted April 10, 2007 The aspherical Noctilux design is from 1966. The aspherics technology wasn't perfected until much later. Leica started a new generation of lenses based on Aspherics in 1989, with the first Summilux 35mm Aspherical. Even then, a new version was necessary (the 1994 Summilux 35mm ASPH). When Mandler designed the current Noctilux, in the 70's, he used the technology available for a rationally economic production. I think Leica can design a new Noctilux at this moment with more advanced technology. The problem is the production process, the costs (fixed and variable) and the economies of scale. Leica will develop a new Noctilux when a much improved version at lower costs is possible. There are technical and economic constraints.(-------------------------------------)  It is not easy to know how the M line will evolve in the future. Wishes are just wishes.  I second that reasoning fully. My betting is in the other direction … I think there would be room for a 75 mm Apo-Elmarit!  The 90 mm lineup needs some cleaning up too. Three lenses are one too many, and the current Elmarit is due for replacement.  The old man from the Age of the 135 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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