digitalfx Posted July 18, 2013 Share #61 Posted July 18, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Less than one second the specs say ("< 1s").http://tinyurl.com/q533t77 The specs say: Start up time: < 1s The camera actually "starts up" and the rangefinder illuminates in less than 1 sec. you just can't fire a frame for another second. FYI- Ive done extensive tests: SanDisk Ultra 32GB (30MB/s Class 10): 3.2 seconds to fire first shot SanDisk ExtremePro 16GB (95MB/s Class 10): 2.2 seconds SanDisk ExtremePro 64GB (95MB/s Class 10): 2.0 seconds Lexar Professional 600x 16GB (Class 10): 2.0 seconds NOTE: Cards first formatted w/ SDFormatter then formatted in camera Time is measured from OFF Position LV= off 1/4000th sec shutter Camera is turned on with shutter depressed. Timed from moment camera is turned on till shutter opens. I have not found anything that works in less than 2 seconds. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/208945-m-typ-240-startup-time/?do=findComment&comment=2377574'>More sharing options...
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jaapv Posted July 18, 2013 Author Share #62 Posted July 18, 2013 Do you have Liveview switched on? That adds 1 second. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalfx Posted July 18, 2013 Share #63 Posted July 18, 2013 Do you have Liveview switched on? That adds 1 second. LV=off Note my test, start with camera off. depress shutter and turn on simultaneously. time is from turning on to shutter opens. Ive never been able to get any combo of card or settings faster than 2 seconds following these steps. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 18, 2013 Author Share #64 Posted July 18, 2013 Mine starts up from switch to click in less than a second,also using your method, consistently but only using the Lexar. With Sandisk Extreme 16 it is considerably slower, as with Panasonic Gold. The display does indeed come up sooner. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalfx Posted July 18, 2013 Share #65 Posted July 18, 2013 Mine starts up from switch to click in less than a second,also using your method, consistently but only using the Lexar. With Sandisk Extreme 16 it is considerably slower, as with Panasonic Gold. The display does indeed come up sooner. can you post a video? how is yours formatted? camera settings? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted July 18, 2013 Share #66 Posted July 18, 2013 ...Ive never been able to get any combo of card or settings faster than 2 seconds... Same for me but Lindolfi got about one second with a Sandisk Extreme Pro and Jaap about the same with a Lexar 600x whilst other cameras take twice this time with the same cards formatted the same way. Sample variations that large are not normal at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted July 18, 2013 Share #67 Posted July 18, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) The specs say: Start up time: < 1sThe camera actually "starts up" and the rangefinder illuminates in less than 1 sec.... Startup time is the time ellapsed from pressing the shutter release until the camera's ready to shoot and it is never inferior to one second in my book, putting aside Lindolfi's and Jaap's cameras. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalfx Posted July 18, 2013 Share #68 Posted July 18, 2013 Startup time is the time ellapsed from pressing the shutter release until the camera's ready to shoot and it is never inferior to one second in my book, putting aside Lindolfi's and Jaap's cameras. I don't follow you. "from the time elapsed from pressing the shutter until the camera's ready to shoot" what does that mean? "Start-up time" generally means the time from powering up a device until its ready to shoot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 18, 2013 Author Share #69 Posted July 18, 2013 can you post a video?how is yours formatted? camera settings? I am no good at videos and I've never posted one. I have four of these cards, two out of box, two camera- formatted and all behave the same. What setting do you want listed? The thing has a gazillion of them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 19, 2013 Author Share #70 Posted July 19, 2013 I don't follow you."from the time elapsed from pressing the shutter until the camera's ready to shoot" what does that mean? "Start-up time" generally means the time from powering up a device until its ready to shoot. My definition is from switching on to shutter release, which happens to coincide with the rear LED stopping flashing. I think LCT means waking up the camera from standby. Which gives the same results in my case. I cannot even start guessing at the reason for these discrepancies. It can hardly be the card as four behave identically on my camera. It is unlikely to be something in the camera, as my camera is as slow as the rest with other cards. Which leaves only a huge question mark. Oh - and: over 1000 shots and no lockup. The only anomalous behavior I found was C mode, which does not run continuously but in surges. On a side note: I'm glad Bert (Lindolfi) found similar results. I would start doubting my sanity otherwise. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalfx Posted July 19, 2013 Share #71 Posted July 19, 2013 My definition is from switching on to shutter release, which happens to coincide with the rear LED stopping flashing.I think LCT means waking up the camera from standby. Which gives the same results in my case. I cannot even start guessing at the reason for these discrepancies. It can hardly be the card as four behave identically on my camera. It is unlikely to be something in the camera, as my camera is as slow as the rest with other cards. Which leaves only a huge question mark. Oh - and: over 1000 shots and no lockup. The only anomalous behavior I found was C mode, which does not run continuously but in surges. On a side note: I'm glad Bert (Lindolfi) found similar results. I would start doubting my sanity otherwise. I guess Im just asking if we are all measuring the same thing. When I first got the card I came up with 1 second. It wasn't until I used a stopwatch and followed the same procedures repeatedly did I determine the actual time was two seconds. I just find it hard to believe there are variations in cameras. If there are, I would be disappointed. I think we are both measuring different things. I'll post a video as a point of reference to compare to what you are doing. which happens to coincide with the rear LED stopping flashing.. Im not even looking at the lights in my test. If you look at my earlier post, my test is quite simple. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted July 19, 2013 Share #72 Posted July 19, 2013 ..."from the time elapsed from pressing the shutter release until the camera's ready to shoot" what does that mean?... Sorry i meant the time elapsed from switching on until the camera's ready to shoot. In other words, putting aside Bert's and Jaap's cams, the M240 is not ready to shoot before two seconds whilst the specs say less than one second. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted July 19, 2013 Share #73 Posted July 19, 2013 ...I think we are both measuring different things... The best test is the one suggested by Jono i believe: hold down the shutter release and turn the camera on - then time how long it takes to take a picture. Not sure about Jaap's method but this is how i got from 2 to 2.5 seconds with my (too) many cards and this is also how Bert (Lindolfi) got 1 second with a Sandisk Extreme Pro card if memory serves. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted July 19, 2013 Share #74 Posted July 19, 2013 All of this is interesting, but is it any different than this discussion, which seemed to result in a similar conclusion that nobody has a clue why some cards work better for some folks than others? That aside, I'm at a loss to know why the difference between a 1sec and 2sec start time is an issue. It takes me at least 2 sec to raise the camera to my eye and frame the shot. What am I missing, besides super reflexes? Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted July 19, 2013 Share #75 Posted July 19, 2013 New facts are the Lexar 600x's surprising speedness on Jaap's cam and the Sandisk Extreme Pro's expected slowness (2 sec.) on mine compared to the amazing speed of Bert's one (1 sec.). One second is the startup time of my M8.2. Two seconds is that of my sluggish M240. And zero.something must be that of my old 5D1. Do you think that two seconds is fast enough for you really? Wait til you miss a shot because of that. Happened to me a couple of times already. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted July 19, 2013 Share #76 Posted July 19, 2013 New facts are the Lexar 600x's surprising speedness on Jaap's cam Sure, but not on matlep's cam, etc. Same issue as other thread, just a different card example. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted July 19, 2013 Share #77 Posted July 19, 2013 Do you think that two seconds is fast enough for you really? Wait til you miss a shot because of that. Happened to me a couple of times already. Guess I'm still missing something. If I keep my cam by my side and see a shot, I'll depress the shutter slightly to wake the camera and raise it to my eye to frame and shoot. That takes a couple of sec. Unless the cam goes to sleep immediately after, I don't see the issue. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted July 19, 2013 Share #78 Posted July 19, 2013 Guess I'm still missing something. If I keep my cam by my side and see a shot, I'll depress the shutter slightly to wake the camera and raise it to my eye to frame and shoot. That takes a couple of sec. Unless the cam goes to sleep immediately after, I don't see the issue. Jeff Correct. But, if you raise the camera up and expect LV to come on it does take a second before the camera is ready. I could stand a second faster response. The complaint I don't get is the one from Lloyd and others that you can't see the frame lines when the camera is off. The fact is that the frame lines come on almost instantaneously. So, for sure you could not raise the camera fast enough. I am just not sure if some reviewers actually use the camera enough because, if they did they would realize that you can't turn the camera on and look through the VF fast enough to catch the frame lines OFF. Also, I've looked through the OVF and not seen the frame lines and this is a good reminder that the camera is asleep. This "feature" has saved me a couple times. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark D Posted July 19, 2013 Share #79 Posted July 19, 2013 Has anyone tried testing the same actual card in several different M240 cameras? If the variation is in the cards and not the cameras these test would be flawed from the start. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted July 19, 2013 Share #80 Posted July 19, 2013 But, if you raise the camera up and expect LV to come on it does take a second before the camera is ready. I could stand a second faster response. Gotcha. I'll be using the OVF for most of my work; LV will be a secondary, but nice option, especially for tripod work (and to check focus calibration). The lag with LV, however, seems more a function of the specs of the camera, requiring the shutter to open first for metering off the sensor, then again for exposure, rather than the card issue. Or can one use 'classic' metering mode with LV? I assumed not. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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