Dlux6 vs LX7 Don't laugh

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...hilarious to the nth, James.

 

Love the D-Lux 6. Delightful little camera. Superb results (including stunning HD video) when used properly.

 

The D-Lux 6 says "Leica Camera Germany - Made in Japan" on its bottom panel. And as far as I'm aware, there has never been a Leica factory in Japan - not even during the Minolta 'love-in'. Incidentally, my other Leica products all state their country of manufacture (German-made M bodies, lenses, enlarger lenses, enlarger and timer; Portuguese-made binoculars, etc). Ultimately, the D-Lux 6 is made in Japan.

 

It is what it is. Think it through, folks.

[Guest badbob]

This is crazy! But also quite funny

 

Because people are telling Badbob that his new Leica was made by Panasonic, he sees that as some kind of personal insult, and is ignoring fact to convince himself that everyone else is wrong. How could it be the same as a mere Panasonic?

 

Ive bought a couple of the Pana/Leicas. I bought an LC5 (same as Digilux 1) used, and a new Clux 2 equivalent. I bought the new Pana as it was on sale for a very low price. Personally I'd have preferred the Leica versions, but I didn't need the software and wasn't bothered about the longer warranty, so for me the extra cost for a Leica badge wasn't justified. But I have bought what is essentially the same product.

 

Panasonic make very nice compact digitals, with lenses designed in partnership with Leica, that's why Leica are happy to put their name on them. Why should that be such an insult to anyone?

 

What's even funnier is how wrong you got it. I've had the LX3 (loved it), the LX7 (loved it), and now the D-Lux6 G-Star version, which is the best of all. No complaints about any of these fine cameras, but I can see that the very smart and successful people at Leica designed a camera I'd love, and none of you get that at all. So sad for you.

[Lee Martin]

That's right Panasonic made it from scratch, and then Leica added some external coverings to make it look different , made some very nice accessories and multiplied the price by four. It's still very capable indeed, as it would be, because the Panasonic is. Simple really . And has been pointed out , NOT MADE IN GERMANY .

[Guest badbob]

That's right Panasonic made it from scratch, and then Leica added some external coverings to make it look different , made some very nice accessories and multiplied the price by four. It's still very capable indeed, as it would be, because the Panasonic is. Simple really . And has been pointed out , NOT MADE IN GERMANY .

 

So you are representing Leica or Panasonic? I wouldn't expect either of those companies' representatives to make a statement like this. Unless you're not a representative of either one, but instead just a disgruntled customer who's trying to chase other customers away.

 

My understanding is that this forum is supposed to be an extension of the public relations and goodwill of Leica, and here you're using it as your personal platform for spreading distrust and disinformation.

[Guest badbob]

Here is the item Leica is promoting, which I also advocate. Do you find yourself opposing what Leica is doing here?

 

Leica Camera AG - Photography - D-Lux 6 Edition G-Star

[Lee Martin]

I'm not representing either, just pointing out some very simple and basic FACTS about certain products. If you can find another purchaser, see if you can establish from them, what they actually believe the camera to be, and what they were able to,ascertain before buying it. Nobody is saying anything negative about your camera, just that it is a continuation of an agreement/collaboration between the two companies that is long standing, whereby Panasonic made a particular camera, and some months later a slightly altered version, by way of cosmetic change appears from Leica. I was in the market for a new pocketable compact, and was hoping for something more from the Panasonic LF 1 in terms of sensor size, and so held back, but from what I briefly remember, it seems to offer much that the Panasonic/Leica G Star does, but with a viewfinder ? If Leica had made a Sony RX1 equivalent or do so in the near future, then I'd be tempted, if a viewfinder had been built in. But the Panasonic sensors have been this small size for too long now, and almost certainly will increase with the LF2 G Star 2 LX8 in due course.

[Lee Martin]

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Nobody is opposing anything that Leica is doing in the advert or anywhere else from what I can see, they have chosen to collaborate with Panasonic and a designer clothing company to produce a stylish looking camera with their name on it. That's not a crime, it's marketing. I love the look of it, but it you take a screwdriver to it, and I suggest that you don't personally, you'll find Panasonic parts inside. I don't suppose for a minute that you'd ever get inside the factory, but I'm led to believe that they are made side by side.

[bill]

He does realise that this forum is not owned or operated by Leica doesn't he...?

 

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Bill

 

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[Lee Martin]

I doubt it !

[Guest badbob]

I'm not representing either, just pointing out some very simple and basic FACTS about certain products. If you can find another purchaser, see if you can establish from them, what they actually believe the camera to be, and what they were able to,ascertain before buying it. Nobody is saying anything negative about your camera, just that it is a continuation of an agreement/collaboration between the two companies that is long standing, whereby Panasonic made a particular camera, and some months later a slightly altered version, by way of cosmetic change appears from Leica. I was in the market for a new pocketable compact, and was hoping for something more from the Panasonic LF 1 in terms of sensor size, and so held back, but from what I briefly remember, it seems to offer much that the Panasonic/Leica G Star does, but with a viewfinder ? If Leica had made a Sony RX1 equivalent or do so in the near future, then I'd be tempted, if a viewfinder had been built in. But the Panasonic sensors have been this small size for too long now, and almost certainly will increase with the LF2 G Star 2 LX8 in due course.

 

Where do you pull your FACTS out of? Where is the dcumentation of this agreement between Leica and Panasonic? Do you have a link? Is this agreement for all cameras? What are the limitations?

 

So far you've continued to say "because I said so", over and over again. In other words, nothing. You're just a nobody who wants to be heard, but you're not saying anything anyway. I've known about Leica for 35 years. When did you suddenly become enlightened?

[Guest badbob]

He does realise that this forum is not owned or operated by Leica doesn't he...?

 

Do I take this to mean that bashing and making fun of Leica is OK here, even though Leica is sponsoring this forum?

[Guest badbob]

.... but I'm led to believe that they are made side by side.

 

You're led to believe blah blah blah, and that's supposed to be interesting or important? If "Bill" or some of the other members here find that important or useful, what does that say about them? Maybe you should find something to do ...

[timd.]

Have you tried asking info@leica-camera.com?

[bill]

He does know that Leica doesn't sponsor this forum, doesn't he?

 

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Bill

 

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[bill]

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lumix

 

Regards,

 

Bill

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[Guest badbob]

Here's what I sent to Leica at the email you provided:

 

Hello - I'm participating on Leica forums at DPReview's camera site, as well as the L-Camera international forum that's sponsored by Leica camera.

 

I have posted reviews at these sites of the G-Star Raw special edition camera I purchased, believing it to not only have some nice extra accessories that I appreciate and use, but that Leica adds value to the camera as well, and that it's not (in the words of some principal members of these forums) "Merely a rebadged Panasonic LX7", and selling for a very inflated price.

 

Can you shed any light on this issue? I currently own the G-Star Raw, the X Vario, and other items like the Ultravid binoculars. I donated my Leica X1 to the Ohio Medina County photo club a few months ago, and long ago traded in the M4-2 and M6 cameras I purchased.

 

Thank you in advance.

[Lee Martin]

Here's a part of the review from Ming Thein a respected reviewer ,

First off: I’ve had a lot of people asking if the Leica version is any different to the Panasonic version. Physically, they are identical but for the cosmetics – the Leica has a nicer, cleaner (but also slipperier) design and square buttons. The Panasonic has a few more curves, flourishes, chrome bits and a small but welcome front grip. Menu cosmetics are different. Both have identical sensors, lenses, EVF capability, and as far as I can tell, file output. The Leica version is more expensive, but includes Lightroom and an extended warranty; in the end, it washes out price-wise. Buy the Leica if you need processing software or intend to keep the camera a bit longer; the warranty helps and it holds resale value a bit better, too. I reviewed this version because it’s what I happened to have access to.

 

And here's the link to the whole review,

Review: The Leica D-Lux 6/ Panasonic LX7 – Ming Thein | Photographer

 

Leica do not, to the best of my knowledge sponsor this site in any way, perhaps you've been misled because it's got Leica badges on the pages!! That means it must be a real Leica site ?

[Lee Martin]

Nice to see that you listed all your prior Leica purchases when emailing Leica, awaiting a non biased reply. You omitted to ask what country it was made in also ? . What will you actually do when you find out that it is to all intents and purposes a Panasonic, and was made in Japan ? Will you still want it ? Will you feel misled ?

[jporos]

I am more interested in what the partnership between Leica and Panasonic consisted of. How much was cooperative and joint development in the design of the D-LUX 6/LX-7? Can anyone with deep ties to either company answer this question?

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[Lee Martin]

I think that's an excellent question, but doubt either company will submit a reply for potentially "letting the cat out of the bag" if I can find the article I've read before somewhere I'll post it, but I think even the lenses themselves are made by Panasonic, to a Leica specification.