Thomas Chen Posted June 14, 2013 Share #61 Posted June 14, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) The large dealer in Brisbane have had two came in and both were priced at a ridiculous $8500 (which both sold btw). The same price in Taiwan $8500~$8600 depending on the exchange rate. No idea why there is pricing discrimination between countries. I'm also in the waiting list, however, will go to buy a Pentax K5 IIs body today as the M may arrive next year. Thomas Chen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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MarkP Posted June 14, 2013 Share #62 Posted June 14, 2013 I'm also in the waiting list, however, will go to buy a Pentax K5 IIs body today as the M may arrive next year. Thomas Chen Why? Why not just use your M9 until your M is delivered? Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted June 14, 2013 Share #63 Posted June 14, 2013 Hey Steve, I just call it like I see it. The M is a great camera. You see production issues and I see a steady stream of cameras, just like the M8 and M9 release. You see a few people losing their nerve and selling the camera and I see demand. You see crappy color and I love the color. Better color than my Sony. As a matter of fact, I put that issue about color to bed when I polled the actual Leica M "owners" and it was 100% satisfaction of the "owners" with the color at this time of release. Did you notice that the thread of the non-owners "analyzing" internet photos dropped off the sub-forum? Took the wind out of that group of "professional" non-owners. I really have no idea what you are talking about in this thread. Production issues? This is a great camera. Color issues? Move the color tint sliders. I have no idea why you would want to buy back the M 240 after you sold it. I mean, you either like the color or not. You either feel there are production issues going on or not. You either feel that the camera has problems or not. You either question the statements from the company or not. But, why now state that you "expect to return to the M240?" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted June 14, 2013 Share #64 Posted June 14, 2013 Curious to read that a camera has "problems" whilst i have it in hands and feel it is the best RF i have ever used. As if i were living on another planet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted June 14, 2013 Share #65 Posted June 14, 2013 Well considering that the previously posted "Prescribed wording regarding delivery bottlenecks for the Leica M-System" is dated June 10, 2013 from Solms, quotes a Leica senior officer and is posted on an authorized UK dealer's website I was not questioning it's authenticity, but I suppose anything is possible. Jaap, do you believe this document to be a fabrication? No idea - I have not seen it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StephenPatterson Posted June 14, 2013 Author Share #66 Posted June 14, 2013 I have no idea why you would want to buy back the M 240 after you sold it. I mean, you either like the color or not. You either feel there are production issues going on or not. You either feel that the camera has problems or not. You either question the statements from the company or not. But, why now state that you "expect to return to the M240?" Well, if you remember I said the camera was very hard to use professionally because the files required more work than the M9 to color match, so as I sit here editing through a few thousand images from my NGO hospital shoot last week I am very glad I'm not having to work with M240 files. However for my personal use I love the improvement in the dynamic range and I also like how the camera "feels". I did sell after the lug recall because the thought of managing that from Central China was just a nightmare, and a nice man in HK offered me lots of money. And so I decided to sell and see what other issues, problems or solutions came forward. As I said I am disappointed that the M240 still has not had a firmware update, but hopefully one will come out sooner or later. As I don't expect to receive an M240 for several more months I am hopeful that improvements will continue to be made. Is this forum really for nothing more than blind faith and fanboyism or are we allowed to question what happens in Solms? I certainly don't think my thread is in anyway "Troll Like" and feel that your mud slinging is off target and unprofessional. Cheers, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted June 14, 2013 Share #67 Posted June 14, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Well, starting a thread about alleged production issues after praising the camera, slamming it, selling it and going for a new one again is bound to raise some eyebrows. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StephenPatterson Posted June 14, 2013 Author Share #68 Posted June 14, 2013 Well, starting a thread about alleged production issues after praising the camera, slamming it, selling it and going for a new one again is bound to raise some eyebrows. Well considering that some here seem to be auditioning for Leica Beta Tester with every post I have no problems about my prior statements and reserve the right to continue to evaluate each and every Leica product as to it's suitability for my needs, both personal and professional. There are color issues with the M240, but for the vast majority of living room and dog photos it will make no difference whatsoever. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted June 14, 2013 Share #69 Posted June 14, 2013 Well, if you remember I said the camera was very hard to use professionally because the files required more work than the M9 to color match, so as I sit here editing through a few thousand images from my NGO hospital shoot last week I am very glad I'm not having to work with M240 files. Then don't use it if it is too time consuming for you. But, don't think that I don't find the files easy to work with. As I said I am disappointed that the M240 still has not had a firmware update, but hopefully one will come out sooner or later. I'm hoping for an update too, but come on, the camera has only been out for 3 months... and you are disappointed? Maybe, you could just hold it for a bit longer? Is this forum really for nothing more than blind faith and fanboyism or are we allowed to question what happens in Solms? I certainly don't think my thread is in anyway "Troll Like" and feel that your mud slinging is off target and unprofessional. Cheers, Oh, here we go again. You are going to play the fan-boy card. Well, yes, I like the camera but, it has nothing to do with fan-boyism. Read my complaints on other threads. I am pretty balanced on my opinions on this camera. But, I do commit to the fact that over all, I like the camera. I'm keeping it. And, I'm not going to sell it and re-buy it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted June 14, 2013 Share #70 Posted June 14, 2013 There are color issues with the M240, but for the vast majority of living room and dog photos it will make no difference whatsoever. Just because you claim to be a professional does not mean that your photos are any more meaningful than anyone else's on this forum. And, for the record: I like the color and I take pictures of my dog regularly, in my living room. Good day. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StephenPatterson Posted June 14, 2013 Author Share #71 Posted June 14, 2013 Just because you claim to be a professional does not mean that your photos are any more meaningful than anyone else's on this forum. And, for the record: I like the color and I take pictures of my dog regularly, in my living room. Good day. I never said that my photos are any more meaningful than anyone else's...what I said was that shooting weddings or documentary projects or anything else over long periods with thousands of frames is difficult at the moment with the M240 because of the way it handles skin tones, especially in mixed lighting. Just because someone drives a truck for work doesn't mean they can't enjoy a sports car on the weekends. I enjoy shooting with Leica, and have done so for over thirty years. Which brings me back around to the original purpose of this thread, which is after all a question and not a statement. Does Leica's recent surge in manufacturing and delivery of the X Vario, a camera made in Germany, offer any insight into possible production issues with the M240 and the lengthy delays in worldwide deliveries? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted June 14, 2013 Share #72 Posted June 14, 2013 The colour issue is easy to fix through a mere personal profile. Just one click to do in PP. No pro photog will make me believe that it is too long or too difficult to do the same. YMMV. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkP Posted June 14, 2013 Share #73 Posted June 14, 2013 Time Out!!! This is becoming a most unedifying slinging match. I thought we were all above this. How about getting back to what was a perfectly reasonable point in the OP irrespective of who made it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted June 14, 2013 Share #74 Posted June 14, 2013 WellThere are color issues with the M240, but for the vast majority of living room and dog photos it will make no difference whatsoever. Considering that the problems seem to be considerably less by proper profiling of the postprocessing software, I strongly suspect that the issue is not so much with the camera, but with the adaptation by software companies. They have had exactly the same improvement curve wit the M8, M9 and other brand cameras. Often it is only possible to get good results without too much work by using the proprietary raw developers initially. As Leica depends on external software there is always a delay before the optimum is reached. In practice this boils down to the camera maker tweaking the firmware and Adobe et al fiddling with the postprocessing software. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedaes Posted June 14, 2013 Share #75 Posted June 14, 2013 Does Leica's recent surge in manufacturing and delivery of the X Vario, a camera made in Germany, offer any insight into possible production issues with the M240 and the lengthy delays in worldwide deliveries? Stephen -I don't read "Made in Germany" as "Made in Solms". I would expect the design, production and launch of the Vario to be unrelated to M production. It is an unfortunate quirk in timing that the launch clashes with the end of the period when production resources for the M were redirected to correct bodies with the "lug issues", and it is very easy to start down the road of conspiracy theories because of the lack of full disclosure. I hope you can get another M without too long a wait. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianjones66 Posted June 14, 2013 Share #76 Posted June 14, 2013 On the issue of any production problems and the infuriating wait for some to get their M240, it would actually be good to have some statement from Leica on all of this. I am sure they follow the forums but basically the M240 is incredibly slow in getting into peoples hands, especially as this was announced last September and the latest M mini announced weeks ago and in stock or shipping already. This must have affected the production of the M240 surely as we know Leica are a 'small' company when it comes to production. On a side not, I do have the M240 and find it the best M I have used, better than the M8, M9 and almost on a par with the Monochrom for the picture quality. Where it surpasses is in the feel when using it. Mine was one recalled for the lug problem and my only concern is if there are other problems we are not aware of. Until then I will enjoy taking pictures which is after all the reason for having it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted June 14, 2013 Share #77 Posted June 14, 2013 ...the M240 is incredibly slow in getting into peoples hands, especially as this was announced last September and the latest M mini announced weeks ago and in stock or shipping already... Waiting lists were not the same for the X107. Not sure if there is another explanation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted June 14, 2013 Share #78 Posted June 14, 2013 The problem with the announcement was that the Photokina came early. Normally it would have been announced sometime in February, a short while before the first batch started shipping. Like the M9 was announced. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianjones66 Posted June 14, 2013 Share #79 Posted June 14, 2013 Waiting lists were not the same for the X107. Not sure if there is another explanation. I appreciate this, just that Leica should realise there will be people unhappy with having to wait so long for a camera announced over 9 months ago and still only trickling through to the dealers, and then a new camera announced and delivered in such a short timeframe. I realise they appeal to different markets but is more to do with meeting the demand with their 'limited' production. The new X107 must have been in the making for quite a while. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianjones66 Posted June 14, 2013 Share #80 Posted June 14, 2013 The problem with the announcement was that the Photokina came early. Normally it would have been announced sometime in February, a short while before the first batch started shipping. Like the M9 was announced. It would just be nice to hear more dialogue from Leica on all of this, all the dealers I have spoken to are also in the dark. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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