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Thank you Philip for these excellent pictures and the incredible stories that bring them even more to life. Milosevic’s name in particular  is one that still brings chills to the spine, even just based on news reports from the time. Sue and I were so distraught and saddened by what happened in the FYR, especially I guess having been there just a year or two before it all happened in earnest. 

Where abouts was your seat in this court?

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5 hours ago, philipus said:

I'll add these two now. They were taken from the middle of the accused's seat row in Courtroom 1.

The first one shows the view an accused would have from a seated position. The second one shows the view while standing. Why standing? Because the accused, like all participants in court, had to stand when addressing the judges. And perhaps most importantly, they had to stand when the judges sentenced them.

Slobodan Milosevic, who was one of the most high-profile accused we had being the sitting head of state of the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia (and actually the first sitting head of state to be indicted by an international criminal jurisdiction), always sat. Actually he not only sat, he sort of lounged back, leaning heavily into the seat in the way an ill-mannered teenager would and would shake his head at whatever the prosecution witnesses said. And when he could he would make long entirely irrelevant speeches about how the ICTY was illegal and lacked jurisdiction, how he did not recognise it etc. He also insisted on calling the quite brilliant English judge Sir Richard May Mister May. So every day Milosevic was in court he would have seen what's on the first photo.

Milosevic was never sentenced because he died of a heart attack in 2006 alone in his cell at the United Nations Detention Unit which is in a wing in a Dutch prison here in town. He died during the defence case and a judgement had of course not been delivered by then. There had, however, been a judgement on the defence's motion to acquit at the end of the prosecution case. This is a procedural thing from the common law whereby the defence can argue that the prosecution has failed to prove its case and that there therefore is no case for them to answer. The legal standard is not beyond reasonable doubt, but a different, more objective standard. So even if the judges' decision on that motion found that there was evidence to convict if the prosecution's evidence was to be believed it is not possible to conclude whether he would have been found guilty or not.

But they did conclude that that standard had been met.

Since I've already written this much I'll write a bit more. The second photo resonates a bit with me because it brings back memories of the last few months of 2017 which were both the last months of the ICTY's existence and of my time there.

In November 2017 during the delivery of the appeals judgement (second instance) in the truly massive Prlic et al case, the Bosnian Croat general Slobodan Praljak committed suicide more or less exactly where these photos were shot. He had just been sentenced to 20 years' imprisonment and after having called out something to the effect that he as not guilty he drank poison from a little vial he had brought.

The view shown in the second photo is what he would have seen as he took the poison.


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Beautiful job of photographing the court. Maybe it is just my age, but I find the banks of computer screens to present a bit of the ludicrous. The matters considered here were of such great weight; of such consequence. I am not even able to have a meaningful conversation with my wife when I am behind the screen.

Thanks for your effort in bringing these photos to the thread.

Wayne

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12 hours ago, philipus said:

I'll add these two now. They were taken from the middle of the accused's seat row in Courtroom 1.

The first one shows the view an accused would have from a seated position. The second one shows the view while standing. Why standing? Because the accused, like all participants in court, had to stand when addressing the judges. And perhaps most importantly, they had to stand when the judges sentenced them.

Slobodan Milosevic, who was one of the most high-profile accused we had being the sitting head of state of the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia (and actually the first sitting head of state to be indicted by an international criminal jurisdiction), always sat. Actually he not only sat, he sort of lounged back, leaning heavily into the seat in the way an ill-mannered teenager would and would shake his head at whatever the prosecution witnesses said. And when he could he would make long entirely irrelevant speeches about how the ICTY was illegal and lacked jurisdiction, how he did not recognise it etc. He also insisted on calling the quite brilliant English judge Sir Richard May Mister May. So every day Milosevic was in court he would have seen what's on the first photo.

Milosevic was never sentenced because he died of a heart attack in 2006 alone in his cell at the United Nations Detention Unit which is in a wing in a Dutch prison here in town. He died during the defence case and a judgement had of course not been delivered by then. There had, however, been a judgement on the defence's motion to acquit at the end of the prosecution case. This is a procedural thing from the common law whereby the defence can argue that the prosecution has failed to prove its case and that there therefore is no case for them to answer. The legal standard is not beyond reasonable doubt, but a different, more objective standard. So even if the judges' decision on that motion found that there was evidence to convict if the prosecution's evidence was to be believed it is not possible to conclude whether he would have been found guilty or not.

But they did conclude that that standard had been met.

Since I've already written this much I'll write a bit more. The second photo resonates a bit with me because it brings back memories of the last few months of 2017 which were both the last months of the ICTY's existence and of my time there.

In November 2017 during the delivery of the appeals judgement (second instance) in the truly massive Prlic et al case, the Bosnian Croat general Slobodan Praljak committed suicide more or less exactly where these photos were shot. He had just been sentenced to 20 years' imprisonment and after having called out something to the effect that he as not guilty he drank poison from a little vial he had brought.

The view shown in the second photo is what he would have seen as he took the poison.


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Thx for the interesting stories and pictures. 
(Btw, did you ever get yourself a 35 or 28?)

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I recently acquired an Olympus MJU - really happy with the performance (and the price!!!).
Here with some expired KodakColor 200.

 

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2 hours ago, chrism said:

To celebrate the return of Doc Henry, I got out the camera and wasted a roll of film! I'm now just over 40lb lighter than I was when I had the transplant, and fervently hoping I may be able to eat again one day soon!

 

Fantastic Chris! And congratulations.

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On 8/29/2021 at 11:36 AM, Doc Henry said:

Great thanks to  3ooB, Phil and Gary 😀

...   another picture " à la Claude Monet"  our French impressionist painter

Kodak Portra 400- Leica M7- Apo Summicron Asph 

(Portra dev and scan home lab)

Best regards

Henry

 

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Claude Monet would approve as do I. Its lovely Doc and such a pleasure to have you gracing your thread again.

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On 9/2/2021 at 11:59 PM, MikeMyers said:

New York Central diesel locomotive, Ann Arbor, Michigan, 1960's.  Shot with Leica M2 and 50 Summicron.

I wanted the people at the left in the photo, to bring it to life.  They wandered off a little after I took my photo, and I crossed the tracks to the other side to take a similar photo.

Reminds me now of my Lionel train set, with this same locomotive!

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David P Morgan would wax lyrical over this photograph Mike. The innocence of youth, the curiosity of leaning in to take in the details, the poignancy of names and lines lost to times and tides, the wafting steam heat. I would love to read that account as much as love this photograph.

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Holga!! 120 Arista.EDU 100 in 510 Pyro

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Hasselblad 500CM, Planar 2,8/80, f5,6 1/125s, developed in Adonal 1+25, scanned with epson V800

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Burnt out foreheads seem to be a problem for my multi-flash set up.

Ilford XP2 Super (of course), Diafine and Nikon 9000 scan

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