renapearl Posted May 13, 2013 Share #1 Posted May 13, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hi, I took delivery of my Monochrom on 31 March, and it is now back in Sohms for the second time, due to it not focusing with my 75mm lens. However, my query today is not to do with that, but the fact that when I downloaded the images within Lightroom it did not show what F stop (or there about) I had used. The meta data for the aperture was just blank. On my M9 it shows what F stop I had used, not always correct, but not far off. As it is mainly the sensor that differs on the Monochrom I'm wondering why this is. Is it a fault with the camera or what. It has up to date firmware. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted May 13, 2013 Posted May 13, 2013 Hi renapearl, Take a look here Monochrom Meta Data. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
Guest Essemmlee Posted May 13, 2013 Share #2 Posted May 13, 2013 Mine does not show the aperture either. However, I have no concerns as I could care less what aperture I took my magnificent photograph at. I know some photographers are very keen to know all the techy stuff and good luck to them. I only have one lens that is coded so most of the time I don't even know which lens was used never mind the aperture. Generally though, I can tell from what is in focus, at what distance, roughly which f stop was used. That seems to be enough for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
renapearl Posted May 13, 2013 Author Share #3 Posted May 13, 2013 Really just wanted to check if there was a fault with the camera. Thanks for your response. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdriceman Posted May 13, 2013 Share #4 Posted May 13, 2013 I don't think it is a fault with the camera. It did not show up on the one I rented and it does not show up on the one I now own. It appears that Leica got weary of comments that the metadata aperture estimate didn't match the actual aperture setting, so they just eliminated the estimate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thighslapper Posted May 13, 2013 Share #5 Posted May 13, 2013 It's back on the M240 I think it's a firmware omission.... prrobably accidental.... ...... unless the lack of a normal bayer sensor array in some way compromises the estimation process ...... in which case it is more likely it needed a recoding of the software that does the calculating...... and no-one could be bothered to do it.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted May 13, 2013 Share #6 Posted May 13, 2013 iirc the location of the information was changed so LR cannot read it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
renapearl Posted May 13, 2013 Author Share #7 Posted May 13, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Well my neat and tidy mind says it should be there - not that I need it. Strangely the F stop information given for my M9 in LR since the last firmware update is mostly correct. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted May 13, 2013 Share #8 Posted May 13, 2013 For some unknown reason Lightroom doesn’t access the guesstimated f-stop in the Maker Notes section of the M Monochrom’s meta data. Still the info is there (where it has has always been) and software such as ExifTool can access it. The new M (Typ 240) is different in that (a) the guesstimated f-stop is stored in the standard EXIF data (not just the proprietary Maker Notes) and ( its Maker Notes section differs from the M8, M9, M-E, and M Monochrom. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
renapearl Posted May 13, 2013 Author Share #9 Posted May 13, 2013 PS Bridge cannot see it also. I think it is time that manufactures in the same field start communicating with each other. Apple Mac cannot yet read the Monochrom DNG file. Apple blame Leica and Leica blame Apple! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted May 13, 2013 Share #10 Posted May 13, 2013 Well, if Leica writes a correct DNG and some software cannot read it, it is clear to me where the bug stops! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryankarr Posted May 13, 2013 Share #11 Posted May 13, 2013 Mine does not show the aperture either. However, I have no concerns as I could care less what aperture I took my magnificent photograph at. I know some photographers are very keen to know all the techy stuff and good luck to them. I only have one lens that is coded so most of the time I don't even know which lens was used never mind the aperture. Generally though, I can tell from what is in focus, at what distance, roughly which f stop was used. That seems to be enough for me. I can't tell if you're being serious or not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandymc Posted May 14, 2013 Share #12 Posted May 14, 2013 For some unknown reason Lightroom doesn’t access the guesstimated f-stop in the Maker Notes section of the M Monochrom’s meta data. Leica's been encoding the guesstimated f-stop in the (undocumented) maker notes since the M8 rather than writing it to EXIF fields. It's only thanks to Carl Bretteville's work that anyone knows that the guesstimates are there. At this point, I think that everyone in the industry's gotten bored with having to have special code just to display an aperture value; if Leica wants to hide that information from people who buy their cameras, so be it. Sandy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted May 14, 2013 Share #13 Posted May 14, 2013 Well, as far as I know, Leica's position is: The info is not guaranteed to be exact, so we dislike displaying it. FWIIW. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted May 14, 2013 Share #14 Posted May 14, 2013 Leica's been encoding the guesstimated f-stop in the (undocumented) maker notes since the M8 rather than writing it to EXIF fields. It's only thanks to Carl Bretteville's work that anyone knows that the guesstimates are there. At this point, I think that everyone in the industry's gotten bored with having to have special code just to display an aperture value; if Leica wants to hide that information from people who buy their cameras, so be it. Okay, but why then is Adobe not consistent in this regard, reading the Maker Notes of the M 8 and M9 but disregarding the exact same set of Maker Notes in DNGs taken with the M Monochrom? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted May 14, 2013 Share #15 Posted May 14, 2013 Well, as far as I know, Leica's position is: The info is not guaranteed to be exact, so we dislike displaying it. That is how Leica had thought for many years, until they changed their mind and decided to include the guesstimated value in the standardised EXIF data of DNGs taken with the M (Typ 240). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandymc Posted May 14, 2013 Share #16 Posted May 14, 2013 Okay, but why then is Adobe not consistent in this regard, reading the Maker Notes of the M 8 and M9 but disregarding the exact same set of Maker Notes in DNGs taken with the M Monochrom? Like I said, everybody got bored. You actually have to put in code that's model specific. It's ok to put in work-arounds for bugs once or twice, but the third time round? For a camera with tiny market share, even relative to the M8/M9? But if nobody has done so yet, drop Eric Chan at Adobe (aka madmanchan) an email - he has the ability to make this kind of stuff happen. Sandy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandymc Posted May 16, 2013 Share #17 Posted May 16, 2013 For those interested, Eric Chan has committed to fixing the aperture problem in the next release of LR: Adobe Community: Importing from a Leica M Monochrom Sandy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
macjonny1 Posted May 16, 2013 Share #18 Posted May 16, 2013 Can't believe Apple won't even provide RAW support for the Mono! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke_Miller Posted July 25, 2013 Share #19 Posted July 25, 2013 For those interested, Eric Chan has committed to fixing the aperture problem in the next release of LR: Adobe Community: Importing from a Leica M Monochrom Sandy Fixed in Lightroom 5, but not in Capture One 7.1.3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Lord Posted July 25, 2013 Share #20 Posted July 25, 2013 Fixed in Lightroom 5, but not in Capture One 7.1.3 Have they fixed the apple dng issue via LR5? I'm taking delivery of MM tomorrow and it will be a serious irritation if I can't process on the mb pro... Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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