Rick Posted July 5, 2013 Share #141 Posted July 5, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) About this, it must be said that going up to 60 frames/sec, there is a great improvement.24 frames/sec is just the bare minimum, and some humans will percieve a much more "natural" motion at 60 fps. Yes. 16 is the lower limit and gamers want to see120. A lot of people can detect 24 when viewing movies. Some think it is film-like some don't like it. I like having the choice of 24, but want to see 60 on the next M. By the way, 24 on film looks so much better than the M video because there is no top down readout on film, of course. Alan mentioned slower shutter speeds can look smother under some circumstances. I have good results with slow pans on the M with 1/30 sec shutter speed. I am talking about the actual video not the EVF LV image. There is a good article about the M video in the previous LFI (not the current one). It speaks about the relatively good video from the M and specific firmware updates Leica is going to implement. Also, covered are the the limitations of the Maestro processor and the need for faster readout from the sensor in order for the M to be competitive with actual video cameras and DSLRs that do this already. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted July 5, 2013 Posted July 5, 2013 Hi Rick, Take a look here Will Leica update to the VF-4 EVF?. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
Delcredere Posted July 7, 2013 Share #142 Posted July 7, 2013 I apologise if this is in the wrong thread. The Leica Mayfair store, who I have always found to be most helpful, told me last week when I bought an M240 that the Olympus EV2 sometimes froze - implying that the Leica EVF does not suffer from this defect. But I had thought that they were both the same save for the branding. Naturally if the VF-4EVF is compatible with the M I will buy that, but if it is not then which EVF should I get? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted July 7, 2013 Author Share #143 Posted July 7, 2013 I apologise if this is in the wrong thread. The Leica Mayfair store, who I have always found to be most helpful, told me last week when I bought an M240 that the Olympus EV2 sometimes froze - implying that the Leica EVF does not suffer from this defect. But I had thought that they were both the same save for the branding. Naturally if the VF-4EVF is compatible with the M I will buy that, but if it is not then which EVF should I get? I had a minor problem with my VF-2 initially but it turned out to be dirty contacts. Jesko von Oeynhausen said that the viewfinders were identical. I think Leica Mayfair were being a touch disingenuous saying that the much more expensive EVF-2 is different/better than the Olympus. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalfx Posted July 7, 2013 Share #144 Posted July 7, 2013 I apologise if this is in the wrong thread. The Leica Mayfair store, who I have always found to be most helpful, told me last week when I bought an M240 that the Olympus EV2 sometimes froze - implying that the Leica EVF does not suffer from this defect. But I had thought that they were both the same save for the branding. Naturally if the VF-4EVF is compatible with the M I will buy that, but if it is not then which EVF should I get? Thats a shame, you would think they would offer real advice rather than sales bs. The two are identical other than cosmetics. Ive been using mine for well over 90 days with no issues. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheshireCat Posted July 7, 2013 Share #145 Posted July 7, 2013 Thats a shame, you would think they would offer real advice rather than sales bs.The two are identical other than cosmetics. Ive been using mine for well over 90 days with no issues. Considering all the lockups I am having with the Oly VF-2, I wonder if the Leica EVF would be any better. Hardware apart, the electronic viewfinder most probably has its own firmware. Here's the discussion about lockups, and it seems to me the first cause is the EVF interface: http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/leica-m9-forum/290724-leica-m-typ-240-unreliable-reliable.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted July 7, 2013 Share #146 Posted July 7, 2013 Lockups? Lockups seem to be a Leica specialty. I have not experienced any with either VF-2 or VF-4 on my OM-D E-M5 http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/2448231-post138.html. Still waiting for my M, here is an image taken with Olympus OM-D E-M5 + VF-4 + Leitz Telyt-V 280/4.8 Version 3 from 1975. Enjoy! Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! I tried to take advantage of the specific characteristics of that lens Wilson knows so well. Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! I tried to take advantage of the specific characteristics of that lens Wilson knows so well. ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/204418-will-leica-update-to-the-vf-4-evf/?do=findComment&comment=2368398'>More sharing options...
digitalfx Posted July 7, 2013 Share #147 Posted July 7, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Considering all the lockups I am having with the Oly VF-2, I wonder if the Leica EVF would be any better. Hardware apart, the electronic viewfinder most probably has its own firmware. Here's the discussion about lockups, and it seems to me the first cause is the EVF interface: http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/leica-m9-forum/290724-leica-m-typ-240-unreliable-reliable.html I have had the Oly VF-2 since my M arrived in April. I have only had a handful of lockups, and only once with the VF-2 installed. The notion that the VF-2 is the reason is pure speculation, ironically coming mostly from people that don't even have the M, and the suggestion that is only happens with the Olympus has no evidence Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted July 7, 2013 Author Share #148 Posted July 7, 2013 I tried to take advantage of the specific characteristics of that lens Wilson knows so well. K-H, No longer. I have sold both my Telyt 280's and I am now a Contax Tele-Tessar man Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted July 7, 2013 Share #149 Posted July 7, 2013 I have had the Oly VF-2 since my M arrived in April. I have only had a handful of lockups, and only once with the VF-2 installed. The notion that the VF-2 is the reason is pure speculation, ironically coming mostly from people that don't even have the M, and the suggestion that is only happens with the Olympus has no evidence Totally agree. And, my EVF has not locked up on my M and that doesn't mean their isn't a problem... it just means... well, it means something... I think it has to do with where you rotate the diopter dial. Yeah, why not, it is as good a theory as any so far (except the one about the contacts - that one has a slim possibility of gaining traction). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted July 7, 2013 Share #150 Posted July 7, 2013 K-H, No longer. I have sold both my Telyt 280's and I am now a Contax Tele-Tessar man Wilson Hi Wilson, Thanks. I know, but you really tried hard and know those lenses by heart! I use now mostly in that FL an APO 280/4 and a Vario 105-280/4.2. However, on occasion those older lenses can be a lot of fun, just not for the purposes we originally had intended for them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheshireCat Posted July 7, 2013 Share #151 Posted July 7, 2013 I have had the Oly VF-2 since my M arrived in April. I have only had a handful of lockups, and only once with the VF-2 installed. The notion that the VF-2 is the reason is pure speculation, ironically coming mostly from people that don't even have the M, and the suggestion that is only happens with the Olympus has no evidence I own the M, and I can assure you that with the VF-2 my M locks up much more frequently. Therefore it is not "pure speculation" and other M owners will say the same. If this site had a half-decent way to make surveys, that could be easy to estimate statistically. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted July 7, 2013 Share #152 Posted July 7, 2013 Could you describe what's a lockup guys? What does happen exactly? Never got one with my digicams so far. Could this be related with memory cards? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheshireCat Posted July 7, 2013 Share #153 Posted July 7, 2013 Could you describe what's a lockup guys? What does happen exactly? Never got one with my digicams so far. Could this be related with memory cards? The camera becomes unresponsive to any input, and the only way to resume normal operation is power-cycling it. Never had to remove the battery, just power-cycle. Note that I have never waited more than 30 seconds to see if it recovered by itself... but that would still be unacceptable for me. I don't think it depends on the card (perfectly working on other bodies), but we cannot be sure at the moment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted July 7, 2013 Share #154 Posted July 7, 2013 OK thanks and does this happen in LV mode (w or w/o EVF) generally? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalfx Posted July 8, 2013 Share #155 Posted July 8, 2013 its occurred to me about 5 or 6 times, once with the EVF attached the other times w/o. Its a FW bug that will be dealt with hopefully soon. I find it highly unlikely this is because someone is using an Oly EVF over the Leica one. as a matter of fact I know several owners of the Leica finder that have also experienced the freezing...with and w/o it attached. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted July 8, 2013 Share #156 Posted July 8, 2013 Curious that most people don't seem to experiment lockups then, unless they use LV too scarcely for that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalfx Posted July 8, 2013 Share #157 Posted July 8, 2013 Curious that most people don't seem to experiment lockups then, unless they use LV too scarcely for that. how do we know most people don't experience it? Most everyone I know with an early M has experienced it at least several times. If I was going to speculate on a reason, I'm going with a fresh battery and over voltage. It seems that the times Ive experienced it were each time I had a brand new battery (I have 3)...hmmm. But this is pure speculation as I don't have enough data to prove this. Lets leave it to the fairies in Solms to solve. also could be related to the early bodies which are having the "lugs" fixed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheshireCat Posted July 8, 2013 Share #158 Posted July 8, 2013 OK thanks and does this happen in LV mode (w or w/o EVF) generally? Never happened to me in LV mode, but I seldom use LV. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalfx Posted July 8, 2013 Share #159 Posted July 8, 2013 Never happened to me in LV mode, but I seldom use LV. I thought you said it happened with the EVF only??? Do you realize when you use the EVF its LV? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheshireCat Posted July 8, 2013 Share #160 Posted July 8, 2013 I thought you said it happened with the EVF only???Do you realize when you use the EVF its LV? I mean, it never happened to me the few times I used LV output on the body display. Hope this is clearer now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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