macjonny1 Posted May 11, 2013 Share #41 Posted May 11, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) I'm an "optical" all the way guy.....or was ..... Using the Fuji system extensively I find it odd' date=' almost retro, going back to RF or pro DSLR TTL viewing. For this photographer EVF is frikkin' super exciting.[/quote'] To me optical always wins...having tried the Fuji and Sony EVFs....nothing beats real time no lag. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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RobertJRB Posted May 11, 2013 Share #42 Posted May 11, 2013 Pretty pathetic that there is already an newer version of technology before Leica can ineptly produce a camera to go with it. Perhaps this is their strategy...the M was somewhat on the leading edge. Perhaps this made them uncomfortable so they screwed up production and delayed deliveries until others could easily surpass them. Photokina is coming up in 4 months. Perhaps Leica can introduce the accessories for the cameras they haven't yet delivered. The excitement is building. As if the old EVF is now useless... Photography isn't, or shouldn't be about having the latest gadget.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobertJRB Posted May 11, 2013 Share #43 Posted May 11, 2013 I'm an "optical" all the way guy.....or was ..... Using the Fuji system extensively I find it odd, almost retro, going back to RF or pro DSLR TTL viewing. For this photographer EVF is frikkin' super exciting. I tried the X100 for a while, and I found the viewfinder pretty bad to use. I was happy when I looked trough the M9's finder again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted May 11, 2013 Share #44 Posted May 11, 2013 Does anybody know the refresh rates of the V-F4? 60 Hz. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalfx Posted May 11, 2013 Share #45 Posted May 11, 2013 To me optical always wins...having tried the Fuji and Sony EVFs....nothing beats real time no lag. No doubt optical is better, but options are nice. There are situations where the rangefinder us not an option, like using R lenses or in dark situations. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
macjonny1 Posted May 11, 2013 Share #46 Posted May 11, 2013 No doubt optical is better' date=' but options are nice. There are situations where the rangefinder us not an option, like using R lenses or in dark situations.[/quote'] Live view with B&W cool too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted May 11, 2013 Share #47 Posted May 11, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Eye sensors that switch between the EVF and LCD were in some bridge cameras quite a few years ago. (My Konica/Minolta A2 has it and this dates from 2004.) Why Olympus is only adopting it now is kind of a mystery to me. Maybe it was a licensing issue. The RX1 works this way and is very seamless. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwbell Posted May 11, 2013 Share #48 Posted May 11, 2013 To me optical always wins...having tried the Fuji and Sony EVFs....nothing beats real time no lag. I've been amazed at how little lag there is (X100s). I can get all "street" timing easily, prior to footfall, hand to face, hand grab hat / child type speed movements. I would need convincing to shoot volleyball without my TTL DSLR for sure, but the advantages of EVF are winning me over. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted May 11, 2013 Share #49 Posted May 11, 2013 Could you please point to your source?Thanks. Sorry ... I can not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanG Posted May 11, 2013 Share #50 Posted May 11, 2013 The RX1 works this way and is very seamless. Yes I know many cameras work this way including my Nex 6. That was why I am surprised that Olympus is so late to the party. What I was indirectly getting at with that B&H info on the VF-4 is the possibility that the eye control won't be supported on the M and the resolution will not be utilized fully either. (slight image degradation on the viewfinder is noted) If that is the case maybe there are other benefits of the VF-4 over the VF-2 and at least it will hold the possibility of being fully supported in a future Leica model or upgrade. I do think it makes sense that if necessary Leica will change the design of the M to accommodate these improvements since I don't see how they can have a long run with the M if it has to use an older EVF compared with contemporary models. Some years ago Canon changed the 1DII to use a larger LCD... 1DIIn. But making sense to me and reality are two different things. When I look at that large EVF unit and compare it to the small Nex 6 body (which even has a flash and articulating LCD) I have to wonder why this EVF can't be integrated into the M body in some way on a future model that has more highly integrated electronics. Or a way of removing the optical viewfinder/RF and replacing it with an EVF. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwbell Posted May 12, 2013 Share #51 Posted May 12, 2013 Or a way of removing the optical viewfinder/RF and replacing it with an EVF. You'll burn in Hell for that one! Even with my new love for EVF I'd rather see that in a different camera, an EVF M that left the ORF alone. But then of course they would cripple that camera, and artificially dumb it down to not eat into M sales..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
barjohn Posted May 12, 2013 Share #52 Posted May 12, 2013 I won't be surprised if the next step Fuji takes on its OVF is to make the frame lines adjust to focal length of the lens and lens focus position (distance) compensating for parallax electronically. They already come close by also changing the magnification in the XPRO-1. Then you get the best of all worlds, optical viewing and more accurate framing with the ability to switch to EVF in low light where the image is intensified if needed. Additionally you get all of the information you need in the viewfinder about exposure settings and even the histogram. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosuna Posted May 12, 2013 Share #53 Posted May 12, 2013 60 Hz. The OM-D EVF is 1,4 MP and 120 Hz I think. The high refresh rate of that viewfinder is key for the excellent usability of the device. Is more important than resolution. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted May 12, 2013 Author Share #54 Posted May 12, 2013 The OM-D EVF is 1,4 MP and 120 Hz I think. The high refresh rate of that viewfinder is key for the excellent usability of the device. Is more important than resolution. I think I am correct in saying that even the VF-2 is capable of a higher refresh rate on some Olympi than the M240 drives it at. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwbell Posted May 12, 2013 Share #55 Posted May 12, 2013 "Olympi"? Nice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted May 12, 2013 Author Share #56 Posted May 12, 2013 "Olympi"? Nice. I suppose as it is a Greek word, the plural should be "Olympodes" Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted May 12, 2013 Share #57 Posted May 12, 2013 The high refresh rate of that viewfinder is key for the excellent usability of the device. Is more important than resolution. I don’t think so. Maybe the latency, but not the refresh rate. Anyway, if the M should support the VF-4 it will still be limited to 30 fps, even when the VF-4 would support up to 60 fps on a Olympus E-P5. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
01af Posted May 12, 2013 Share #58 Posted May 12, 2013 The Olympus OM-D E-M5 EVF is 1.4 MP and 120 Hz I think. The regular refresh rate of the OM-D E-M5's built-in EVF is 60 Hz at 1.44 MP, just like the VF-2's. In an optional high-speed mode, it can be increased to 120 Hz but only at the expense of reduced resolution. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
barjohn Posted May 12, 2013 Share #59 Posted May 12, 2013 I found it more useable at the higher refresh rate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted May 12, 2013 Share #60 Posted May 12, 2013 I won't be surprised if the next step Fuji takes on its OVF is to make the frame lines adjust to focal length of the lens and lens focus position (distance) compensating for parallax electronically. They already come close by also changing the magnification in the XPRO-1. Then you get the best of all worlds, optical viewing and more accurate framing with the ability to switch to EVF in low light where the image is intensified if needed. Additionally you get all of the information you need in the viewfinder about exposure settings and even the histogram. Any place left over for the subject? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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