3D-Kraft.com Posted April 12, 2013 Share #21 Posted April 12, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) I also have this issue with my M 240. Strange to say, it appears only at ISO 320 and ISO 640. Here are examples (straight out of cam JPEGs): ISO 320: ISO 640: (click on the images to see higher resolutions; there you can also navigate to the EXIF data) The line also appears in the DNG raw files. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Nliusvia Posted August 6, 2013 Author Share #22 Posted August 6, 2013 Few months after collecting replacement set from Leica due to faulty sensor, received a note about sending it back again because of the eyelet strap issue. Did that got it and got it back after about 1 month and as a bonus, Leica clean the sensor and all...great! It should be brand new right? after 1 hour of shooting, the LATEST PROBLEM now is shutter speed...see below...the bottom part of the shot is overexposed... I've to say this, I think everyone should give it a year or so before buying the new M until Leica can sort out their quality control issue. So my experience so far: 1. faulty sensor 2. faulty eyelet 3. faulty shutter 4. what else? Leica if you're reading this, please please do something in your QC department. Am I the unluckiest M user? The camera is on its way back to Solms again...I'm seriously thinking about switching back to M9 or Mono. What would you guys do? Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/202180-high-iso-issue-on-leica-m/?do=findComment&comment=2391650'>More sharing options...
dwbell Posted August 6, 2013 Share #23 Posted August 6, 2013 The camera is on its way back to Solms again...I'm seriously thinking about switching back to M9 or Mono. What would you guys do? Keep an m9 back up and kick up merry hell with Leica CS as loudly and public as possible. They've lost the "quality" tag they worked so hard to achieve as far as I'm concerned, it's up to them what they do now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mabbo Posted August 6, 2013 Share #24 Posted August 6, 2013 So my experience so far:1. faulty sensor 2. faulty eyelet 3. faulty shutter 4. what else? Leica if you're reading this, please please do something in your QC department. Am I the unluckiest M user? Leica should send you back 2 bodies for all that trouble! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicolas Soldati Posted August 6, 2013 Share #25 Posted August 6, 2013 Leica should send you back 2 bodies for all that trouble! At least a brand new one! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malvolio Posted August 7, 2013 Share #26 Posted August 7, 2013 I agree that waiting for a healthy period of time to commit to the new M is a good idea (everyone is waiting anyway due to backlog). I waited until 2012 to get a new M9 and I was glad I did. By that stage all the niggles and firmware issues had largely settled and I am surprised at how robust the camera is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StephenPatterson Posted August 7, 2013 Share #27 Posted August 7, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) the LATEST PROBLEM now is shutter speed...see below...the bottom part of the shot is overexposed... I've seen this in one frame out of a few thousand and believe it is firmware related, like the black frame lockup issue. Leica is aware of this problem and I believe are working on a software fix. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/202180-high-iso-issue-on-leica-m/?do=findComment&comment=2392014'>More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted August 7, 2013 Share #28 Posted August 7, 2013 Few months after collecting replacement set from Leica due to faulty sensor, received a note about sending it back again because of the eyelet strap issue. Did that got it and got it back after about 1 month and as a bonus, Leica clean the sensor and all...great!It should be brand new right? after 1 hour of shooting, the LATEST PROBLEM now is shutter speed...see below...the bottom part of the shot is overexposed... I've to say this, I think everyone should give it a year or so before buying the new M until Leica can sort out their quality control issue. So my experience so far: 1. faulty sensor 2. faulty eyelet 3. faulty shutter 4. what else? Leica if you're reading this, please please do something in your QC department. Am I the unluckiest M user? The camera is on its way back to Solms again...I'm seriously thinking about switching back to M9 or Mono. What would you guys do? Pethatic abysmal performance so far from Leica! I am sure now I don't want to receive my M anytime soon, certainly not before knowing what the next firmware update will bring, positive or negative! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted August 7, 2013 Share #29 Posted August 7, 2013 You're right that this is not a particularly good track record, rather the opposite.. But what has any of the faults above got to do with firmware? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted August 7, 2013 Share #30 Posted August 7, 2013 Beats me, may be post #27 is correct or not. However, some cameras seem to experience intermittent lockups, problems with using the EVF, etc. That sure could be firmware related. I definitely don't have these issues with the VF-2 on Olympus cameras. Having been an involuntary defacto beta tester for the M9 I certainly don't want to go through that experience again. Life is too short. And I don't have your skills adjusting a rangefinder. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeinzX Posted August 7, 2013 Share #31 Posted August 7, 2013 It seems there are some very unlucky users there, who have got a lot of troubles beside the not very good automatic white balance and other already known minor issues. Of course things like that should not occur and the qualitiy control of Leica needs improvement. I have not detected problems with my M until now not taking into account the well known minor ones and hope there will not come up in future. That is even the case with high ISOs up to ISO 3200. 6400 I have never used. Anyway Leica should bring up a firmware update within short time - that´s a must. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StephenPatterson Posted August 7, 2013 Share #32 Posted August 7, 2013 Vertical lines are dead pixels that need to be mapped out, but the "hanging shutter" issue, as well as the "black frame" issue where the camera occasionally locks up, I believe are caused by software bugs in the firmware as the microprocessor looses control of the exposure/timing of the shutter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nliusvia Posted August 7, 2013 Author Share #33 Posted August 7, 2013 you reckon this is software malfunction? Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/202180-high-iso-issue-on-leica-m/?do=findComment&comment=2392395'>More sharing options...
StephenPatterson Posted August 7, 2013 Share #34 Posted August 7, 2013 you reckon this is software malfunction? It's certainly some form of malfunction. In the flying business we called this sort of "malfunction" pilot error. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted August 7, 2013 Share #35 Posted August 7, 2013 you reckon this is software malfunction? I have PM'd you. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcsang Posted August 7, 2013 Share #36 Posted August 7, 2013 I'm now having second thoughts on this camera after seeing/reading the various issues (that I just figured Leica would have fixed/accommodated for/figured out by now). I think I'll check with my dealer and find out where I am "in line" and see if I can afford to "forget about it" and just stick with Nikon and get a new A La Carte body instead. Cheers, Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted August 7, 2013 Share #37 Posted August 7, 2013 You have to make your own decision, but the "issues" in my opinion are relatively irrelevant. This is the most stable and best made digital M yet made imo. The others had far more teething troubles (I count models like ME, and MM, M8.2 etc. not as separate camera types) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nliusvia Posted August 8, 2013 Author Share #38 Posted August 8, 2013 I certainly don't know what are the population of the affected camera out there, perhaps mine is the faultiest of them all. However, regardless of any camera or brand, if you paid top dollars for it you certainly didn't expect issues with it...not to say within the first 4 months. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted August 8, 2013 Share #39 Posted August 8, 2013 ... you certainly didn't expect issues with it...not to say within the first 4 months. Unfortunately that's precisely when I expected issues, as every digital M camera has had 'teething' issues, effectively adding a beta phase for early adopters. I actually anticipated more significant issues given that the new M has so many new parts and features. (Didn't figure on strap lugs, though.) The good news, though, is that issues are typically sorted over time. But we're left guessing about time frames, even for seemingly basic firmware updates. Strange little company sometimes. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalfx Posted August 8, 2013 Share #40 Posted August 8, 2013 Few months after collecting replacement set from Leica due to faulty sensor, received a note about sending it back again because of the eyelet strap issue. Did that got it and got it back after about 1 month and as a bonus, Leica clean the sensor and all...great!It should be brand new right? after 1 hour of shooting, the LATEST PROBLEM now is shutter speed...see below...the bottom part of the shot is overexposed... I've to say this, I think everyone should give it a year or so before buying the new M until Leica can sort out their quality control issue. So my experience so far: 1. faulty sensor 2. faulty eyelet 3. faulty shutter 4. what else? Leica if you're reading this, please please do something in your QC department. Am I the unluckiest M user? The camera is on its way back to Solms again...I'm seriously thinking about switching back to M9 or Mono. What would you guys do? So is this new problem happening on every exposure, or did it occur just once? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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