jaapv Posted August 27, 2013 Share #181 Posted August 27, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) I quite agree. However both Lindolfi and I agreed in at a measured startup time of 1.5 seconds approx, by measurement with a stopwatch, not by counting sheep, and I cannot explain the longer times some others are experiencing. It does not explain Leica's claimed time of 1" either. So I stand, from my experience, by 0.5" difference. As for the battery, I find it nearly inexhaustible (hyperbole warning ) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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lct Posted August 27, 2013 Share #182 Posted August 27, 2013 ...both Lindolfi and I agreed in at a measured startup time of 1.5 seconds approx, by measurement with a stopwatch, not by counting sheep, and I cannot explain the longer times some others are experiencing. It does not explain Leica's claimed time of 1" either. So I stand, from my experience, by 0.5" difference. ... Two exceptions don't make a rule. None of my 15 cards have a startup time of 1.5 second including your champion card Jaap. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted August 27, 2013 Share #183 Posted August 27, 2013 I have no idea who the exception is... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted August 27, 2013 Share #184 Posted August 27, 2013 Both you and Lindolfi are the exceptions confirming the rule that the M240 startup and wakeup times are longer than 2 seconds in general, which means: - at least two times slower than a mere M8 - and at least two times slower than the Leica specs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted August 27, 2013 Share #185 Posted August 27, 2013 Both you and Lindolfi are the exceptions confirming the rule that the M240 startup and wakeup times are longer than 2 seconds in general, which means:- at least two times slower than a mere M8 - and at least two times slower than the Leica specs. So, I would like to come back to my question: If an M is out of spec, shouldn't Leica exchange it for one that is in spec? Or at a minimum provide/sell a memory card that brings it into spec? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted August 27, 2013 Share #186 Posted August 27, 2013 Depends on the applicable law. No one is obliged to do the impossible generally so Leica being incapable to respect their own specs, so far, what you can claim for is a refund and proved losses or earnings at best. Better ask an american lawyer if you purchased your camera in the USA though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted August 27, 2013 Share #187 Posted August 27, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Both you and Lindolfi are the exceptions confirming the rule that the M240 startup and wakeup times are longer than 2 seconds in general, which means:- at least two times slower than a mere M8 - and at least two times slower than the Leica specs. Statistical evidence, not case histories, please. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted August 27, 2013 Share #188 Posted August 27, 2013 Challenging the obvious is not my cup of tea. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted August 27, 2013 Share #189 Posted August 27, 2013 There is nothing obvious about it. If my M had a three to four second startup time on all cards it would not be in my camera bag. It would be sitting on the workbench of a service technician in Solms. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MirekE Posted August 28, 2013 Share #190 Posted August 28, 2013 Two exceptions don't make a rule. None of my 15 cards have a startup time of 1.5 second including your champion card Jaap. I have one card that has ~4s startup time (Sandisk Extreme Pro 32G) and another that has 1.5s startup time (Sandisk Extreme 16G). Both are the 45MB/s versions. It would be interesting to test if the the cards behave identically in different cameras. Perhaps someone who has access to more than one M could try. I hope this is not a manufacturing problem and the next firmware update will have a fix; then we can stop worrying and open open next thread: "Remote releases compatible with M240". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted August 28, 2013 Share #191 Posted August 28, 2013 I have one card that has ~4s startup time (Sandisk Extreme Pro 32G) and another that has 1.5s startup time (Sandisk Extreme 16G). Both are the 45MB/s versions. It would be interesting to test if the the cards behave identically in different cameras... They don't as far as those two cards are concerned. 2.7 and 2s for me respectively. http://tinyurl.com/kp8qe83 BTW are you sure your "pro" 32G is 45MB/s? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MirekE Posted August 28, 2013 Share #192 Posted August 28, 2013 Yes, that is what it says on the card. And I measured the time again and it is 4.5s. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted August 28, 2013 Share #193 Posted August 28, 2013 Yes, that is what it says on the card. And I measured the time again and it is 4.5s. I did not realize that Sandisk gave the same name to 45MB/s and 95MB/s Extreme Pro cards. Mine is a 95MB/s. Thanks for sharing. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/201032-m240-sd-cards-and-associated-camera-function-speeds/?do=findComment&comment=2407221'>More sharing options...
Mauribix Posted August 28, 2013 Share #194 Posted August 28, 2013 There is nothing obvious about it. If my M had a three to four second startup time on all cards it would not be in my camera bag. It would be sitting on the workbench of a service technician in Solms. Jaap, I wouldn't uphold Leica on this regards. Nevertheless, even if you don't care about the speed, you're still confirming that your startup time (which seems to be the best yet recorded), is out of specs too, and it's slower tha the M's predecessors (not counting the competitors). So it's not a sample's issue imho. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted August 28, 2013 Share #195 Posted August 28, 2013 The first specs sheet from September 2012 said « <1s » and Sean Reid wrote in September as well: « the M I worked with seemed to be significantly faster than the M9 in every respect I can think of. Start-up seemed to take less than a second (...) ». I don't know what happened since then but the current specs sheet lowers Leica's expectation to « approx. 1s » which allows some helping interpretation. The next specs sheet won't say « approx. 2s » hopefully... LeicaM240_specs_en_1209.pdf LeicaM240_specs_en_1303.pdf Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted August 28, 2013 Share #196 Posted August 28, 2013 Jaap, I wouldn't uphold Leica on this regards. Nevertheless, even if you don't care about the speed, you're still confirming that your startup time (which seems to be the best yet recorded), is out of specs too, and it's slower tha the M's predecessors (not counting the competitors).So it's not a sample's issue imho. What I am saying I would not accept such times and would send it in to be rectified. As the current spec sheet says 1 sec. approx I am willing to accept 1.5 sec. If you look through the forum you will find my camera is not the only one with 1.5, I stumble over the figure from time to time. For instance Overgaard, Lindolfi, post # 190 in this thread, etc.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thighslapper Posted August 28, 2013 Share #197 Posted August 28, 2013 What I am saying I would not accept such times and would send it in to be rectified.the current spec sheet says 1 sec. approx ...... and unfortunately it does not specify whether with or without a card, the size of card, or whether it is empty or freshly formatted....... .... with most 'specifications' manufacturers tend to quote figures achieved under absulutely optimal circumstances. .... possibly a new SDFormatted class 10 2gb card (which I doubt is available now as it's so small) might achieve Leica's quoted figures... The camera is clearly reading the card before switching to photo taking mode..... rather than doing a rapid memory CRC check ..... otherwise it would be much faster and there would not be as much variation with card size or content..... 16gb seems to be the best performance/size compromise and I see no advantage to larger cards I 'thought' I originally had start up times of a second .... because thats what is 'seems' like, but taking photos of an on-screen stopwatch show it to be an average figure of 2 secs with a wide variety of cards. I've never had over 2.5 secs with any card once re-formatted either in camera or with SDformatter ...... and I feel these 4sec+ longer times .... if not eradicated by changing/formatting...... suggest a camera issue as well.... Leica have been made aware there is chronic grumbling about this and hopefully will look into it..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mauribix Posted August 28, 2013 Share #198 Posted August 28, 2013 What I am saying I would not accept such times and would send it in to be rectified.As the current spec sheet says 1 sec. approx I am willing to accept 1.5 sec. If you look through the forum you will find my camera is not the only one with 1.5, I stumble over the figure from time to time. For instance Overgaard, Lindolfi, post # 190 in this thread, etc.. FWIW, Thorsten has written more than few words on this regards... he says that the camera takes 2-3 sec to turn on, and with the fastest card he could get (a 64GB Sandisk) it may be reduced to half. Thorsten Overgaard's Leica Pages - Page 30 - Leica M Type 240 Digital Rangefinder Camera - Review - Introduction - Test Photos - Basic Menu Settings but then again Jaap, we may not agree on this, but you tolerate the 1.5 sec as the camera's best performance, while I still believe that this is a fault software design, it is worse than previous digital M cameras (fact), and it may be reduced to less than 1 sec if just the operation was better managed (since with no card the camera is ready to shoot in less than 1 sec). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted August 28, 2013 Share #199 Posted August 28, 2013 ...... and unfortunately it does not specify whether with or without a card, the size of card, or whether it is empty or freshly formatted....... .... with most 'specifications' manufacturers tend to quote figures achieved under absulutely optimal circumstances. .... possibly a new SDFormatted class 10 2gb card (which I doubt is available now as it's so small) might achieve Leica's quoted figures... The camera is clearly reading the card before switching to photo taking mode..... rather than doing a rapid memory CRC check ..... otherwise it would be much faster and there would not be as much variation with card size or content..... 16gb seems to be the best performance/size compromise and I see no advantage to larger cards I 'thought' I originally had start up times of a second .... because thats what is 'seems' like, but taking photos of an on-screen stopwatch show it to be an average figure of 2 secs with a wide variety of cards. I've never had over 2.5 secs with any card once re-formatted either in camera or with SDformatter ...... and I feel these 4sec+ longer times .... if not eradicated by changing/formatting...... suggest a camera issue as well.... Leica have been made aware there is chronic grumbling about this and hopefully will look into it..... German law is quite strict in this respect. Mercedes was recently fined 400.000 Euro for advertising the official EU-norm consumption figures. Their only offense was that they had not taken a new top model in consideration, of which the figures were not known yet as the ad went to the printer (but were known when it appeared) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
farnz Posted August 28, 2013 Share #200 Posted August 28, 2013 Thought for the day: we seem to be automatically assuming that the Sandisk cards are bona fide.. Are we absolutely certain that this is true because there are an awful lot of counterfeit Sandisk cards in circulation? Just saying. Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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