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any idea if the new M when using live view for focus with the red line as focus guide will help when shooting fast moving players like in soccer or baseball or not really?

 

will live view be helpful in focusing action shots or is a dslr the real answer?

 

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will live veiw be helpful in focusing action shots or is a dslr the real answer?

 

Yes and yes.

 

I got a Sony Nex 6 back in December and recently I have been practicing with it using some of my longer old MF Nikon lenses. I feel the EVF is good enough that I can pretty easily judge focus and shoot quickly... even without the focus peaking. (red lines)

 

It isn't close to as fast as using a good AF DSLR but I am extremely impressed with the camera. If the Leica M EVF system works as well I think it will be very "helpful" for sports.

 

More than 40 years ago I shot my high school's sports with a non-motorized Nikon F and a 200mm f4 along with shorter lenses. Understanding the game and anticipating action is a big part of it. Consider that a lot of action in baseball happens at fixed locations. I think I did very well for a kid who was just learning photography.

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any idea if the new M when using live view for focus with the red line as focus guide will help when shooting fast moving players like in soccer or baseball or not really?

 

will live view be helpful in focusing action shots or is a dslr the real answer?

 

thanks

 

It is not going to be like a DSLR with fast auto-focus. I do a lot of sport photography and it is all about high shutter speed, which means wide aperture, which means shallow DOF. I also have a Nex 7 with which I use a Leica 90mm Summarit for some sports if I just want to travel light and don't need to have a high yield. It is hard to follow fast action and keep it focused, even with focus peaking. When using that setup i will sometimes pre-focus (such as a soccer goalie at the goal or a baseball batter at the plate) or anticipate where the action will be. With really good light you can stop down and get a little more DOF and the better ISO performance of the M will help keep shutter speeds up. But those methods will not yield the number of good shots a DSLR with a long, fast AF lens will.

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It is not going to be like a DSLR with fast auto-focus. I do a lot of sport photography and it is all about high shutter speed, which means wide aperture, which means shallow DOF. I also have a Nex 7 with which I use a Leica 90mm Summarit for some sports if I just want to travel light and don't need to have a high yield. It is hard to follow fast action and keep it focused, even with focus peaking. When using that setup i will sometimes pre-focus (such as a soccer goalie at the goal or a baseball batter at the plate) or anticipate where the action will be. With really good light you can stop down and get a little more DOF and the better ISO performance of the M will help keep shutter speeds up. But those methods will not yield the number of good shots a DSLR with a long, fast AF lens will.

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if we are talking about anticipation and pre focusing on a set spot where the action is going to be that is already what I am doing with my m9 which i guess to me means that live view and the focus guide really is not going to be that useful for action sports.

 

Probably no better than with the rf. and, certainly the add on EVF would be required. I don't see how you could use live view on action without it.

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any idea if the new M when using live view for focus with the red line as focus guide will help when shooting fast moving players like in soccer or baseball or not really?

 

will live veiw be helpful in focusing action shots or is a dslr the real answer?

 

thanks

 

Never had direct experience about focus aids... but I suppose that for fast moving subjects any focus aid like the red lines are more disturbing than useful ; imho, fast moving subjects do need :

a) A well bright and clean focusing sreen

B) A very good self-evaluation on your reaction times and the attitude to automatically "tune" your reaction time - camera reaction time - gradual "popping" of focus with a certain lens.

 

Good sport reporters did it well with Visoflex, with MF SLRs, even with "slow" systems like an Hasselblad with 250 or 350 mm : having not experience with AF, I don't even know if modern AF lenses on DSLRs are a DEFINITIVE aid in the art of action sport photography (I think yes, frankly) : what I feel sure about is that an EVF, apart the focus aids, could play the role of a bright focusing screen... but adding another reaction time :o (its own one) , so I don't expect that M+EVF will be a good solution in the matter : but, maybe, someone will be able to get accustomed to all the time factors involved and take excellent sport shots.

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I would hate to face my sports editor, knowing that I had only taken my "M" to the game, when the"Nikon" was home on the shelf. The odds of getting "The" shot would be significantly reduced. Why live so dangerously? I want the M 240, but sports will not justify the purchase. I will come up with other reasons.

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No it won't be helpful from my experiene with live view on two different cameras. It's best suited for macro work and video though video on the M is still going to be quite primitive compared to a dslr. You'll be looking at an lcd showing you what is on the sensor while at the same time you're trying to correct for exposure if the background changes, you get a streaking effect from the bright sky and lights as you track the subject all they while trying to focus. All the while the sensor is charged and cooking away. Get a dslr if you want to shoot sports. I shot with a 1dMKIII for years and in spite of all of the supposed tracking issues if you took the time to undersand the many, many advanced features for tracking a subject moving toward you or from side to side you could get many fps tracked and in focus perfectly. Unchecked it would shoot 10 fps for 30 frames before the buffer filled in raw. In focus priority mode you easily would get 7 fps in focus. The M will never be in the same league with a dslr for shooting sports and live view will be worse than learning to pick a focus area or move the focus ring to keep the subject in focus with the M.

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It could be done, but any Nikon DSLR introduced in the past decade is a better idea. Continuous predictive multipoint autofocus? Hell yes.

 

Plus, if you were working a real sporting event with other photographers, think about all that explaining you'd have to do...

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any idea if the new M when using live view for focus with the red line as focus guide will help when shooting fast moving players like in soccer or baseball or not really?

 

will live veiw be helpful in focusing action shots or is a dslr the real answer?

 

Sports - DSLR! An exception might be shooting the Shot Putt event.

 

... or a Graflex Super D with a Big Bertha lens. :eek:

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Sure - but there is a vast body of excellent action and sports photographs taken before the advent of AF, indeed of SLRs.

 

It could be done, but any Nikon DSLR introduced in the past decade is a better idea. Continuous predictive multipoint autofocus? Hell yes.

 

Plus, if you were working a real sporting event with other photographers, think about all that explaining you'd have to do...

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