trond Posted February 9, 2013 Share #1  Posted February 9, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Just got my long waited APO 50 today, and boy, is this lens sharp!  Pardon the less interesting shot, but the scene was easy at hand, and with a lot of detail.  I have never ever seen a lens this sharp from any make, not even Leica, it is pin sharp, edge to edge from f2.0.  However, moire seems to be a big problem on the M9.  The brick wall in the scene is located at a distance of 350 meter.  Untouched DNG here: http://www.saether-online.com/L1005727.DNG  Best regards  Trond Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/197941-apo-summicron-50mm-too-sharp/?do=findComment&comment=2238466'>More sharing options...
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dugby Posted February 10, 2013 Share #2 Â Posted February 10, 2013 Great photos, also noticed purple green moire on the adjacent building's roof. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
01af Posted February 10, 2013 Share #3 Â Posted February 10, 2013 You just found out why most digital cameras have anti-aliasing filters. Â Did you shoot in DNG+JPG format or DNG only? If the latter, try using DNG+JPG next time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
zlatkob Posted February 10, 2013 Share #4 Â Posted February 10, 2013 Wow that is sharp! The moire brush in Lightroom 4 can take care of the moire. Try different settings, maybe +30, and brush over the affected area. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted February 10, 2013 Share #5 Â Posted February 10, 2013 You can always use a soft focus or 'portrait' filter if you don't like the sharpness. Or just mis-focus Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WPalank Posted February 10, 2013 Share #6 Â Posted February 10, 2013 I'm on an iPad, so I don't know what software you use to process the file. If LR 4, take a look at your Sharpness Settings. Could be it's cranked up a bit. Try setting to 0 and see how that looks at 100% Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WPalank Posted February 10, 2013 Share #7 Â Posted February 10, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Great photos, also noticed purple green moire on the adjacent building's roof. Look at the side of the church, unless they painted it in a Safari homage pattern. Also, the tiled portion of the church roof. As others have mentioned, shouldn't be a problem in LR 4, assuming you have the software. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tele_player Posted February 10, 2013 Share #8  Posted February 10, 2013 Are you saying that creating the JPG will affect what's in the DNG?  You just found out why most digital cameras have anti-aliasing filters. Did you shoot in DNG+JPG format or DNG only? If the latter, try using DNG+JPG next time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
01af Posted February 10, 2013 Share #9 Â Posted February 10, 2013 Are you saying that creating the JPG will affect what's in the DNG? Jeez, no. Â But what's in the JPG file will be different from what's in the DNG. So it's always good to have both. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted February 10, 2013 Share #10 Â Posted February 10, 2013 That's an interesting "unintended consequence" of the high resolution of the lens. A good sign that your lens is performing as designed by in effect being able to out-resolve the sensor. I expect moire with this lens will be more common on the M8 and that both the MM and M240 will make it less common. Of course, the MM has the same number of pixels as the M9 but removing the need to de-mosaic will, I think, increase the spatial resolution. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trond Posted February 10, 2013 Author Share #11  Posted February 10, 2013 You just found out why most digital cameras have anti-aliasing filters. Did you shoot in DNG+JPG format or DNG only? If the latter, try using DNG+JPG next time.  The shot is DNG only.  I always do jpg in post processing in LR.  However, that does not change the moire.  Best regards  Trond Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trond Posted February 10, 2013 Author Share #12  Posted February 10, 2013 Look at the side of the church, unless they painted it in a Safari homage pattern. Also, the tiled portion of the church roof. As others have mentioned, shouldn't be a problem in LR 4, assuming you have the software.  The "Safari camouflage paint" on the roof to the left came as a big surprise to me, looking at the shots on my screen after the shoot.  The roof is actually bright white snow as seen by the naked eye.  There is an underlying pattern of roof tiles, but they are covered by 10cm of snow.  The day yesterday, was particularly clear and contrasty, close to 0% humidity and -15 degree Celsius, no pollution and no wind. So there is noting between the lens and the scene to blur the image.  I have never seen anything as sharp from any camera or any lens, as the APO50 on the M9!  However, the bright color in the snow on the roof, surprises me a lot, since the very subtle pattern from the roof tiles is not visible through the snow by the naked eye.  If you only want one single lens for your M camera, the APO 50 is clearly the one to own!  Best regards  Trond Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trond Posted February 10, 2013 Author Share #13  Posted February 10, 2013 You can always use a soft focus or 'portrait' filter if you don't like the sharpness. Or just mis-focus  I don´t complain about the resolution, that is exactly what I hoped for when I ordered the lens on the 10th of May 2012.  I´ll rather take the moire challenge and work on that in post.  Best regards  Trond Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted February 10, 2013 Share #14  Posted February 10, 2013 I've seen threads like that on other sites: "Is my Ferrari too fast?", "Is my Rolex too bling?", "Is my Hermes bag too cheap?"... Just kidding and jealous not to have this superb lens i guess. Having to remove moiré in spades might be a problem though. Wait and see how it behaves on the M-240. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trond Posted February 10, 2013 Author Share #15 Â Posted February 10, 2013 Hopefully we will know that in a few weeks when the new M starts to ship on the 28th of February. Â BR Â Trond Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest borge Posted February 10, 2013 Share #16 Â Posted February 10, 2013 Lightroom by default applies +25 sharpening on all imported files. Unless you have made your own profile that is applied upon import that removes the default sharpening these files are sharpened. Try setting sharpening downt to 0 manually. Â What lens did you use previously? I am seeing this kind of sharpness from my MM + 50 Lux ASPH combination. So I guess the sensor makes a big deal in perceived sharpness as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trond Posted February 10, 2013 Author Share #17  Posted February 10, 2013 Hei Børge!  Resetting the sharpness in LR to 0 does not change much, and does not impact the moire.  I previously used the Summilux 50mm ASPH, and this comes close to the APO50 in the center area at f5.6, but falls short in the edges.  The whole pint with the APO50 for me is to be able to shoot wide open without any loss in image sharpness all the way to the edges.  Best regards  Trond  PS: I see that we are almost "neighbors", you are welcome to drop by to have a peek ;-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
01af Posted February 10, 2013 Share #18 Â Posted February 10, 2013 I always do JPG in post processing in LR. However, that does not change the moire. Of course not. But in-camera JPEG may. Just give it a try. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonki-M Posted February 10, 2013 Share #19 Â Posted February 10, 2013 Of course not. But in-camera JPEG may. Just give it a try. Â interesting. while some cameras out there have internal moire reduction, i wasn't aware the M9's JPEG engine also applies the reduction as well. i will have to try, thanks! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trond Posted February 10, 2013 Author Share #20  Posted February 10, 2013 Of course not. But in-camera JPEG may. Just give it a try.  I will give it a try another day.  It is snowing heavily today, so the images comes out very "soft" no moire whatsoever  BR  Trond Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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