lct Posted January 29, 2013 Share #141 Posted January 29, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) ...I just wanted to question the absolute assertion that the Monochrom will be the best camera for B&W, when its perfectly possible that for many people, (including serious photographers!) the M may offer tangible advantages. You don't get it at all. The basic difference is noise is not called noise out of the MM but "grain". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted January 29, 2013 Posted January 29, 2013 Hi lct, Take a look here First M240 RAW files released.. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
lct Posted January 29, 2013 Share #142 Posted January 29, 2013 ...I don't see how a Bayer filter camera can ever compete with a Monochrome camera of similar resolution. (but now we have to define 'pure' )... Ha ha! yes the purity of real photogs juggling with real filters on the field instead of image makers tweaking with Silver Efex on their PC. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tadeyev Posted January 29, 2013 Share #143 Posted January 29, 2013 Whoa. I'm imagining a Monochrom in a few years based off the new M, where you can put filters on and see the results directly in the EVF or rear screen. Why is EVF needed for that? Just put a filter on and take a test shot….Look and judge. Like the old days when we made Polaroid test shots before using up the roll ;-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thighslapper Posted January 29, 2013 Share #144 Posted January 29, 2013 Am I going senile or was there a post from ? Mark with an email quote from Stefan Daniel about the good professors pics and the fact that the M240 will exceed expectations ... for a few hours this afternoon ? .... Seems to have now vanished..... It was reassuring whilst it lasted..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted January 29, 2013 Share #145 Posted January 29, 2013 Good move, of the disappearance act! I'm nevertheless still reassured though! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandymc Posted January 29, 2013 Share #146 Posted January 29, 2013 Am I going senile or was there a post from ? Mark with an email quote from Stefan Daniel about the good professors pics and the fact that the M240 will exceed expectations ... for a few hours this afternoon ? .... Seems to have now vanished..... It was reassuring whilst it lasted..... There was a post - while I thought that some of the content was perhaps a bit over the top, I find it VERY disconcerting when threads just vanish...... Sandy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted January 29, 2013 Share #147 Posted January 29, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Disconcerting for sure. However, I don't see any benefit for the main parties involved to keep that deleted thread alive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwbell Posted January 29, 2013 Share #148 Posted January 29, 2013 Am I going senile or was there a post from ? Mark with an email quote from Stefan Daniel about the good professors pics and the fact that the M240 will exceed expectations ... for a few hours this afternoon ? .... Seems to have now vanished..... It was reassuring whilst it lasted..... Haha! I was surprised it stayed up that long to be honest! This here is Leica town... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted January 29, 2013 Share #149 Posted January 29, 2013 Well, common sense prevailed this time. That's all good! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
1JB Posted January 29, 2013 Share #150 Posted January 29, 2013 Leica's response to Leaked images: Leica Talk Forum: Digital Photography Review Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dierk Posted January 29, 2013 Share #151 Posted January 29, 2013 I would like to come back to the DNGs from Dr. Rohde in the.me. Did you also find a lot of moiré in the first picture around the balconies and the terrace over the ocean? I developed with LR4.2. In the JPG on the.me there is no moiré visible for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwbell Posted January 29, 2013 Share #152 Posted January 29, 2013 Leica's response to Leaked images: Leica Talk Forum: Digital Photography Review There is no "delete" on the web. Once it's out... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WPalank Posted January 29, 2013 Share #153 Posted January 29, 2013 It seems the moderators here felt Mr. Daniel acted against the Gentleman's agreement when commenting on how Dr. Rhodes actd against a Gentleman's agreement. OK, I have a headache now.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted January 29, 2013 Share #154 Posted January 29, 2013 You don't get it at all. The basic difference is noise is not called noise out of the MM but "grain". Grain is black. Noise is white. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted January 29, 2013 Share #155 Posted January 29, 2013 Have you got the production-ready iteration? A newer firmware version than the one used for the pictures published by Dr. Rohde, but certainly not the final one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WPalank Posted January 29, 2013 Share #156 Posted January 29, 2013 A newer firmware version than the one used for the pictures published by Dr. Rohde, but certainly not the final one. ...and... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest malland Posted January 29, 2013 Share #157 Posted January 29, 2013 It seems the moderators here felt Mr. Daniel acted against the Gentleman's agreement when commenting on how Dr. Rhodes actd against a Gentleman's agreement...I guess a gentlemen's agreement is not worth the paper it's (not) written on. Be that as it may, I'm amused by the extent of deference to the views of Ulrich Rohde, as in the following: I don't get it why everyone is attacking Leica for trying this kind of viral marketing approach Via Dr. Rohde. When someone at his credibility speaks everyone should listen (Just as Rick already pointed out). He is not the average Joe of radio shack you know...Sorry, the views of a rocket scientist (okay, physicist) on the quality of a camera based on incompetent pictures he's taken don't carry much weight with me, not compared to what Charles Peterson (charlesphoto99) would write if he had the camera, although I would not expect that he would release photos that broke an NDA or a gentlemen's agreement. Actually, it is Charles Peterson's statement earlier in this thread that interests me the most, that he sees the M9 as producing color like slide film, while other digital cameras produce color like negative film; and that the issue for him is whether the the M240 with its CSMOS sensor can produce the wonderful color rendition that he gets from the M9. I would love to see the results of Charles testing the M240 in this respect. You can see the type of color that Charles likes on his website: at random just now I looked at his Istanbul pictures under "Travel". No need for deference here, except to what your eyes will see. Incidentally, I recall reading somewhere, perhaps in LFI, that the color model for Leica in using the Kodak CCD was Kodachrome. But Jono Slack also shoots wonderful color and it will be interesting to see his shots and read his assessment of color from the M240. Jono: it would be great if you could give some thought to Charles' formulation of "like color of slide film rather than color like color negative film". I had the M9 very briefly and did not take to it because of the problems the camera developed. But looking at a few of my M9 color images in the light of Charles' formulation, I can see that even from my pictures I can now see what he's talking about. I have written elsewhere that there should be no issue for Leica in using a CMOS rather than CCD sensor because the Ricoh GXR M-Module CMOS sensor produces color that is more accurate than that of the M8 and the M9. Generally, I believe that is true; but achieving Charles color slide film paradigm may be another thing — and that will be interesting to see. As a footnote, I should also note that my judgment on the color from the Ricoh GXR M-Module was based on using the RPP raw developer and its Kodachrome preset, which produced color and resolution that I could not get from either Aperture or LR3 — so the raw developer used also plays an important role, and nothing is so simple. —Mitch/Chiang Mai Lanka Footsteps [M-Monochrom/Sri Lanka] Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted January 30, 2013 Share #158 Posted January 30, 2013 Rank (sort descending) posts in this thread by length. Then pair the most verbose with the same individual's examples of post-processing and determine for yourself whether the individual has one iota of visual sense. My take is that he is so proud of being able to use his choice of software that he considers himself qualified to criticize the new M DNG. He is not! Just because one can use the software has nothing relevant to competence. I swear some people can ruin their own wet dream. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanJW Posted January 30, 2013 Share #159 Posted January 30, 2013 Rank (sort descending) posts in this thread by length. Then pair the most verbose with the same individual's examples of post-processing and determine for yourself whether the individual has one iota of visual sense. My take is that he is so proud of being able to use his choice of software that he considers himself qualified to criticize the new M DNG. He is not! Just because one can use the software has nothing relevant to competence. I swear some people can ruin their own wet dream. First, how do you sort a thread by post length? I can't seem to do it so I really don't know who this is directed at. Second, why such vitriol? It is just a camera, and not one released yet. Not good for you to get so exercised. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IWC Doppel Posted January 30, 2013 Share #160 Posted January 30, 2013 Why do we have a moderator/forum support for a scientist who breaches a gentlemens agreement with Leica, I gained comfort in Marks post and it for me stopped the confusion of the new M10(I know, I know but that's what it is for me) I want well considered images and comparisons not snaps of boats or hotel scenes Who's the gentlemen here ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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