masjah Posted January 18, 2013 Share #1 Posted January 18, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) A friend phoned this morning. A friend of a friend of his is now very elderly and wants to dispose of certain articles. He has "an old Leica" which I haven't yet been able yet to see. Serial number 188458, with a collapsible 50mm Elmar lens. My preliminary dive into the Forum Wiki etc., indicates that it is a Leica Standard (Model E) in black 1936, from a serial number run of 300. Please could people confirm this, and tell me anything else about it. (I presume it is a removable screw mount lens; I'm told the lens doesn't display a serial number.) Please could someone tell me what I should be looking for in order to make identification more precise? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jc_braconi Posted January 18, 2013 Share #2 Posted January 18, 2013 A friend phoned this morning. A friend of a friend of his is now very elderly and wants to dispose of certain articles. He has "an old Leica" which I haven't yet been able yet to see. Serial number 188458, with a collapsible 50mm Elmar lens. My preliminary dive into the Forum Wiki etc., indicates that it is a Leica Standard (Model E) in black 1936, from a serial number run of 300. Please could people confirm this, and tell me anything else about it. (I presume it is a removable screw mount lens; I'm told the lens doesn't display a serial number.) Please could someone tell me what I should be looking for in order to make identification more precise? Please check on my website the link is after my signature may be it can helps but 188458 from an another source can be a Leica I from 1936. check if the lens is screwed on the body or fixed and use a "hockey stick" style infinity lock and next the shape of the rewind button low and fat is a Leica I, slim and high is a Standard About the lens you know that the s/n is engraved on the aperture black paint ring in very little numbers size. a picture definitively clears the status Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
masjah Posted January 18, 2013 Author Share #3 Posted January 18, 2013 Thank you JC for your help. The rewinf knop pulls up, so I guess it's a model E (standard).The chap who has it says he can't unscrew the lens. Is there a knack to this? He talks as if the "focus tab is fouling a screw on the body". Whether he's trying to unscrew the wrong bit I dont know. I think he might be unscrewing the front part of the lens, and that this "screw" is part of the rear part of the lens. He's going to send me some pictures. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jc_braconi Posted January 18, 2013 Share #4 Posted January 18, 2013 Please tell to this person to stop trying to unscrew anything untll we can have some picts about the camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
masjah Posted January 18, 2013 Author Share #5 Posted January 18, 2013 Please tell to this person to stop trying to unscrew anything untll we can have some picts about the camera. OK here is a pic. I think wheb he speaks of "a screw on the body" he's talking about the focus end stop on the lens not the body, and the whole thing has to be unscrewed, including the back ring with the distance scale. He's adamant that he's not forced anything, just stopped trying when it became apparent that it wasn't unscrewing from the body. I guess he should firmly grasp the very back ring and turn that. I attach two pics (maybe one in a separate post. He's worried about the exposed thread on this pic - is that normal when the focus is in this position? The lens serial number would appear to indicate a manufacturing date of 1936 (consistent with the body) and a first type 50/3.5 Elmar finished in Nickel, with a 7 o'clock tab. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/196372-leica-standard/?do=findComment&comment=2218517'>More sharing options...
masjah Posted January 18, 2013 Author Share #6 Posted January 18, 2013 Please tell to this person to stop trying to unscrew anything untll we can have some picts about the camera. And here's another one Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/196372-leica-standard/?do=findComment&comment=2218524'>More sharing options...
jc_braconi Posted January 19, 2013 Share #7 Posted January 19, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Thanks for the picts no doubt it is a Standard. less common on the continent is the Elmar 3.5/50 Feet scaled. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
masjah Posted January 19, 2013 Author Share #8 Posted January 19, 2013 Thanks for the picts no doubt it is a Standard. less common on the continent is the Elmar 3.5/50 Feet scaled. Thank you very much JC. Could you comment on the first picture please, specifically the exposed brass thread at the back of the lens? Is this normal, or has an attempt to unscrew it incorrectly resulted in the lens becoming partially unscrewed? Any tips for getting the lens off the body if it's stuck? My initial thoughts were a filter strap around the very rearmost ring. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomB_tx Posted January 19, 2013 Share #9 Posted January 19, 2013 In that picture the lens is just focused to closest distance. The brass is the focusing helicoid that becomes visible on the Elmar as you focus closer. The "pin" that prevents further turning is part of the lens: the close focus stop. The flange that the pin mounts in is the one that should unscrew from the body. To remove the lens, turn the focus to infinity so the infinity stop latches. Then the focus tab and focus stop pin are on opposite sides of the lens, and you can use the two of them to get leverage to easily remove the lens. (If the infinity catch latches securely. If the tab has been bent it may not.) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted January 19, 2013 Share #10 Posted January 19, 2013 Thank you very much JC. Could you comment on the first picture please, specifically the exposed brass thread at the back of the lens? Is this normal, or has an attempt to unscrew it incorrectly resulted in the lens becoming partially unscrewed? Any tips for getting the lens off the body if it's stuck? My initial thoughts were a filter strap around the very rearmost ring. In the first picture the lens is focused at minimum distance or near : it's at all normal that the brass focus thread does appear. As JC says, this is a Standard, so the lens ought to be unscrewable... but maybe it was NEVER dismounted during its LONG life... no surprise it is stuck : better not to use brutal force (even with a felt between the ring and the tool) : my advice is to try a careful "injection" of some chemical product to lubricate stuck screws and then try the operation. I add that it SEEMS to me that there is something odd (picture 2) in the position of the focusing knob with lens at infinity... but can be an effect of the angle of taking of the picture... have you a pic , front - taken, in which the infinity catch is visible ? Also, usually seems to me that "7 o'clock" Elmars of those times, when at infinity, have the f stop cursor on the bottom half of the front ring, and the "Leitz Elmar..." engraving on the top half... but I can be wrong... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
masjah Posted January 19, 2013 Author Share #11 Posted January 19, 2013 In the first picture the lens is focused at minimum distance or near : it's at all normal that the brass focus thread does appear. As JC says, this is a Standard, so the lens ought to be unscrewable... but maybe it was NEVER dismounted during its LONG life... no surprise it is stuck : better not to use brutal force (even with a felt between the ring and the tool) : my advice is to try a careful "injection" of some chemical product to lubricate stuck screws and then try the operation. I add that it SEEMS to me that there is something odd (picture 2) in the position of the focusing knob with lens at infinity... but can be an effect of the angle of taking of the picture... have you a pic , front - taken, in which the infinity catch is visible ? Also, usually seems to me that "7 o'clock" Elmars of those times, when at infinity, have the f stop cursor on the bottom half of the front ring, and the "Leitz Elmar..." engraving on the top half... but I can be wrong... I saw the camera and lens this morning. There does seem to me to be something strange about it. If you look at the ring around the 7 o'clock position near the infinity latch, you'll see a screw which to me at least looks completely spurious. If it's tapped all the way through to the camera body ring, then clearly the lens won't dismount with it in place. Has it been butchered? Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/196372-leica-standard/?do=findComment&comment=2218969'>More sharing options...
jc_braconi Posted January 19, 2013 Share #12 Posted January 19, 2013 Absolutely not, the two screw do not go thurther the lens base. this first flat one is for stopping the focusing ramp at the infinity stop ( and do not go thurther to block the helicoidal ramp ) and the other one at the closest range this one is long because at this point the finger is higher on the ramp if the lens was hardly screwed and with the years the grease as solidified it will be hard to unscrew whithout using penetrating oil and let it works for some days Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerzy Posted January 19, 2013 Share #13 Posted January 19, 2013 Nothing unusal, everything as designed.some screws seem to lost chrom coating. If you want to unscrew the lens put fucus to closest position and unscrew. Do not use any tools, if you cannot unscrew using just power of you hand, visit any repair shop. Flange with Feet engraving is Part of the Lens and unscrews. Jerzy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
masjah Posted January 19, 2013 Author Share #14 Posted January 19, 2013 Thank you everyone (TomB_tx, luigi JC, jerzy). You've all been very patient with me and immensely helpful! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pop Posted January 19, 2013 Share #15 Posted January 19, 2013 The serial number of the lens, BTW, is clearly visible in your last photograph. It's on the dark ring close to the front lens between 4 and 5 o'clock, just "above" the "f=5" lettering. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/196372-leica-standard/?do=findComment&comment=2219086'>More sharing options...
jc_braconi Posted January 19, 2013 Share #16 Posted January 19, 2013 The serial number of the lens, BTW, is clearly visible in your last photograph. It's on the dark ring close to the front lens between 4 and 5 o'clock, just "above" the "f=5" lettering. It is already clearly printed on post # 5 & 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pop Posted January 19, 2013 Share #17 Posted January 19, 2013 Ah yes - so it is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted January 19, 2013 Share #18 Posted January 19, 2013 Thanks for the pic... everything looks ok, indeed... is simply an old standard 7 o'clock Elmar, stuck on the body after years and years... the two screws ought to be not so "black" but it's all about age.. they look normal as for position and shape. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted January 19, 2013 Share #19 Posted January 19, 2013 Are you buying this John? Looks a nice original example (although the rewind knob seems to be a little out of kilter, I'm sure it will still work ok though). Set the lens to infinity (lock) & grab it by the focus button & pin, and twist! If you buy it just send it off for a CLA - it's really only the shutter to worry about with these. The lens looks to be clean, but it's easily replaced if not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
masjah Posted January 19, 2013 Author Share #20 Posted January 19, 2013 Are you buying this John? Looks a nice original example (although the rewind knob seems to be a little out of kilter, I'm sure it will still work ok though). Set the lens to infinity (lock) & grab it by the focus button & pin, and twist! If you buy it just send it off for a CLA - it's really only the shutter to worry about with these. The lens looks to be clean, but it's easily replaced if not. James, no I'm not going to buy it! It definitely needs a CLA - the shutter release isn't working properly apart from anything else. (I'm going to need all my pennies for an M240 + EVF2 + R to M adapter! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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