IWC Doppel Posted January 13, 2013 Share #1 Â Posted January 13, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Interesting read..... Â NHP Â I note this does not deal with manufacturing issues. But does demonstrate difficulties of very fast lenses Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted January 13, 2013 Posted January 13, 2013 Hi IWC Doppel, Take a look here Erwin looks at the Hyperprime an Noctilux. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
jaapv Posted January 13, 2013 Share #2 Â Posted January 13, 2013 Max aperture in reality 1:1.1, design not well executed... I would have expected it to do better than that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted January 14, 2013 Share #3 Â Posted January 14, 2013 Wow, the difference between these two lenses is far greater than I had expected or was lead to believe by certain sources. And the 1.1 max aperture is even more damning. Â An f1 Noctilux or ASPH Summilux would be a far better choice not to mention a Voigtlander Nokton. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 14, 2013 Share #4 Â Posted January 14, 2013 I must admit that the one I shot -just a few frames in uncontrolled conditions, so nothing reliable- did not seem to show the extreme contrast fall-off that Erwin finds. I guess there is quite a bit of sample variation too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Messsucherkamera Posted January 14, 2013 Share #5 Â Posted January 14, 2013 At a price of $4995USD, the Hyperprime does not seem like it would be money well spent IMHO. A nice used Noctilux f/1.0 would be a better choice, although this lens would admittedly sell for more than the Hyperprime. Â Unless a person really had to have (or just really wanted) f/1, the Summilux 50 ASPH would be a very good choice and less costly ($3995USD) than either of the above options. Â A 50/1.4 shot wide open produces very thin depth of focus and a bokeh like background, too. It is not exactly the same as a Noctilux at f/1, but it is close. Â Just something to consider... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 14, 2013 Share #6 Â Posted January 14, 2013 The real competitor is the CV 50/1.1, same parameters, but the better lens and more than considerably cheaper. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IWC Doppel Posted January 14, 2013 Author Share #7 Â Posted January 14, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Not sure the NHP is still available, putting the performance aside the demise was around manufacture failing. I wouldn't touch one with a bargepole Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErikP Posted January 14, 2013 Share #8 Â Posted January 14, 2013 The real competitor is the CV 50/1.1' date=' same parameters, but the better lens and more than considerably cheaper.[/quote']Â Whats your opinion about the CV 1.1? Â I'm thinking I might pick one up and try it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 14, 2013 Share #9 Â Posted January 14, 2013 I have never tried it; but I would feel confident enough to buy it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lindolfi Posted January 14, 2013 Share #10  Posted January 14, 2013 Whats your opinion about the CV 1.1? I'm thinking I might pick one up and try it?  Great lens for its price, see here  Summarizing: some focus shift, some purple fringing at full opening, some field curvature, but a very useful lens.  However if you have a Summilux 50/1.4 ASPH the only thing the CV 1.1 offers as an extra is the f/1.1 aperture, for the rest it is inferior to the Summilux on all accounts.  If I would be on a budget and I could choose only one 50mm lens, the Nokton 50/1.1 would be it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeTexas Posted January 16, 2013 Share #11 Â Posted January 16, 2013 I've had the CV f1.1 for a while, but after testing it against a vintage pre-ASPH Summilux, I switched to the Summilux. Despite being an older model, it was still noticeably sharper than the CV. My comparison photos are here: Â Live While Alive: Fast Lens Shootout: Vintage Summilux vs New Nokton Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted January 16, 2013 Share #12 Â Posted January 16, 2013 At a price of $4995USD, the Hyperprime does not seem like it would be money well spent IMHO. A nice used Noctilux f/1.0 would be a better choice, although this lens would admittedly sell for more than the Hyperprime. Â Unless a person really had to have (or just really wanted) f/1, the Summilux 50 ASPH would be a very good choice and less costly ($3995USD) than either of the above options. Â A 50/1.4 shot wide open produces very thin depth of focus and a bokeh like background, too. It is not exactly the same as a Noctilux at f/1, but it is close. Â Just something to consider... Â Also, in the future the f1.0 Noctilux will hold better value than the Hyperprime. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErikP Posted January 16, 2013 Share #13  Posted January 16, 2013 I've had the CV f1.1 for a while' date=' but after testing it against a vintage pre-ASPH Summilux, I switched to the Summilux. Despite being an older model, it was still noticeably sharper than the CV. My comparison photos are here: Live While Alive: Fast Lens Shootout: Vintage Summilux vs New Nokton  Thx Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill W Posted January 16, 2013 Share #14 Â Posted January 16, 2013 Sure wish I had not sold my Noctilux a few years ago. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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