stump4545 Posted January 4, 2013 Share #1 Posted January 4, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) For printing, what real world advantages does the Eizo/Nec display offer offer a new imac color calibrated with colormunki? thanks in advance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Paul J Posted January 4, 2013 Share #2 Posted January 4, 2013 I don't think the colour space is much more than sRGB for one thing. Adobe and Eizo offer 100% coverage of Adobe 98. Even their 5+ year old monitors offer 96-98% of Adobe 98. So the much smaller colour gamut means you are not seeing alot of colours. Also both NEC and Eizo have their own Look Up Table (LUT) and card. It means the monitor is calibrated directly whereas in other monitors such as the Apple Displays, the graphics card of the computer handles the calibration of the monitor. Monitors with their own LUT have far more accurate and stable calibration. The level of adjustment of a the Apple Display's is very basic. I would not consider the Apple Display's if I needed an accurate display. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indina Posted January 5, 2013 Share #3 Posted January 5, 2013 Plus - and very annoying imo - many iMac displays show dark or grey stains between glass and lcd, which are very difficult to remove, because you have to unscrew the entire display. A No Go for digital postprocessing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stump4545 Posted January 5, 2013 Author Share #4 Posted January 5, 2013 what about for black and white printing? imac ok? are the new imac screens better then previous or same ____? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoppyman Posted January 5, 2013 Share #5 Posted January 5, 2013 Paul J is spot on there. Any calibrated screen is better than none of course and many people work with the Mac displays. The key point is PRINT output. Where you are doing this at home with a good Epson or equivalent, the ability for accurate soft proofing is a large advantage and those printers can reproduce more than the sRGB gamut.. The high end Eizo and NEC designs also provide very much smoother tonal gradations in both colour and greys. 10 Bit is also possible with the right components and setup. The calibration process is automated and done directly in monitor (rather than video card). Further you can have multiple profiles and switch back and forth with a couple of clicks. For example I have one for sRGB simulation intended to demonstrate the images as they might be seen in a web browser on typical monitors, another for gloss prints, one for matt etc. There are very large differences in contrast and luminance across these as well as the colour gamut that Paul J already mentioned. The best advice I can add is to go to a knowledgeable dealer that can demonstrate the monitors for you and decide if you are prepared to make the investment to get the benefits. Take your credit card...or not ;-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkP Posted January 5, 2013 Share #6 Posted January 5, 2013 You will just not get optimal colour calibration, and in particular good B&W tonal graduation from any Mac screen. This is unfortunate as the Mac monitors are convenient with connectivity to the Mac computers, have speakers, and are cheaper than the NECs and Eizios. I didn't think that the Eizios were worth the money but the good NEC MultiSync monitors (I use two NEC 24-inch PA241Ws) are excellent. The colour calibration is hard work and requires adjustment based on standard colour and B&W tonal scales. The automated devices (I used to use Spyder Pro) aren't bad but not perfect. If you are printing, it is also essential that the monitor and printer are properly calibrated so what you see on screen is also what you get on print. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stump4545 Posted January 5, 2013 Author Share #7 Posted January 5, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) wouldn't mind trying an Eiezo in new setup but what is one to do with apple? Buy an eiezo/nec and buy a dated mac pro or just released imac with great specs? the macpro just is so dated and to buy now is just so hard to do. just saying. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted January 5, 2013 Share #8 Posted January 5, 2013 I still use a Mac Pro with NEC monitor and built-in SpectraView II calibration software. A recent problem, however, is that Apple has yet to accommodate Spectraview with their more recent O/S like Lion and Mt. Lion. I think Apple's focus on mobile devices has diverted attention away from desktops. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stump4545 Posted January 5, 2013 Author Share #9 Posted January 5, 2013 what does a new top of the line 24in eizo display w/hood and calibration go for anyway? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkP Posted January 5, 2013 Share #10 Posted January 5, 2013 I use a twin-HD MacMini server dedicated to my photography (Cheap option c/w another laptop) with the two NEC monitors. the second screen makes all the difference especially when using photoshop. LR also has a twin monitor setting. My MBP is for everything else including work. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 5, 2013 Share #11 Posted January 5, 2013 The MacPro will do anything that you need for photography perfectly.It is one of the best computer buys you can make. For one thing it is more robust than an iMac, as it has no size restrictions. People tend to buy vastly over-specified computers for their needs. As everybody here says, go for two better screens, that is more important. If money or financial common sense is a restriction, get a top-end one and a similar lower specified screen. And consider if you really need two 24" ones. Anything from 17" upwards increases convenience, but not necessarily output quality. I've never regretted the day i got a couple of Eizo's. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indina Posted January 5, 2013 Share #12 Posted January 5, 2013 If I remember correctly, Apple is going to bring a new pro model this year. Sounds delicious. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
georg Posted January 5, 2013 Share #13 Posted January 5, 2013 I always went for the Eizo, it's the last company designing & manufacturing their monitors in Japan. They also offer 5 years warranty. NEC, Dell, Apple... on the other hand are all made by similar slave-labour companies in China - sometimes it works out well, sometimes not... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted January 5, 2013 Share #14 Posted January 5, 2013 I still use a Mac Pro with NEC monitor and built-in SpectraView II calibration software. A recent problem, however, is that Apple has yet to accommodate Spectraview with their more recent O/S like Lion and Mt. Lion. I think Apple's focus on mobile devices has diverted attention away from desktops. Jeff I had the same issue using mini display cables. Using a DVI-D cable now and it works as normal. Also there was an update that came out which took care of some other related issues. I seem to recall some people going back to the older previous version of Spectraview and it resolved their problems. So there are a couple things you can try. Good luck. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted January 5, 2013 Share #15 Posted January 5, 2013 I always went for the Eizo, it's the last company designing & manufacturing their monitors in Japan. They also offer 5 years warranty. NEC, Dell, Apple... on the other hand are all made by similar slave-labour companies in China - sometimes it works out well, sometimes not... I've always bought NEC Spectraviews and had absolutely zero issues. They are exceptional monitors and even my 6 year old monitors work perfectly well. I get as close to perfect output as you can hope for. They are cheaper than the Eizo's and to be honest, I don't think it is necessary in this day and age to spend more when the NEC's perform equally. Take a trip to Conde Nast, IPC or Hearst House and you will see banks and banks of them for good reason. There was a time that the Eizo was the better choice but since Spectraview that all changed. What I see on my screen is how they look printed in the magazine or billboard etc. I have zero complaints and have never been let down by them. Plug in the calibrator, hit the button, go make a coffee and come back to a perfectly calibrated monitor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted January 5, 2013 Share #16 Posted January 5, 2013 I had the same issue using mini display cables. Using a DVI-D cable now and it works as normal. Also there was an update that came out which took care of some other related issues. I seem to recall some people going back to the older previous version of Spectraview and it resolved their problems. So there are a couple things you can try. Good luck. I checked with NEC, but my system, as configured, doesn't support that cable solution. They recommended waiting for Apple to get their act together. At least I updated calibration just prior to updating my O/S. I'm still printing well, but life will be easier when the software is back in action. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delcredere Posted February 2, 2013 Share #17 Posted February 2, 2013 The MacPro will do anything that you need for photography perfectly.It is one of the best computer buys you can make. For one thing it is more robust than an iMac, as it has no size restrictions. People tend to buy vastly over-specified computers for their needs. As everybody here says, go for two better screens, that is more important. If money or financial common sense is a restriction, get a top-end one and a similar lower specified screen. And consider if you really need two 24" ones. Anything from 17" upwards increases convenience, but not necessarily output quality. I've never regretted the day i got a couple of Eizo's. Please could you say what the main benefits are for you to have two screens (in addition to that on the MacPro)? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoppyman Posted February 2, 2013 Share #18 Posted February 2, 2013 Real estate You can choose to have all of your menus on the second screen for example so that you can have as many panes /menus open as you wish while still having the open image (or side by side images etc displayed at larger sizes and intrusion free. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsie Posted February 2, 2013 Share #19 Posted February 2, 2013 The MacPro will do anything that you need for photography perfectly.It is one of the best computer buys you can make. For one thing it is more robust than an iMac, as it has no size restrictions. People tend to buy vastly over-specified computers for their needs. As everybody here says, go for two better screens, that is more important. If money or financial common sense is a restriction, get a top-end one and a similar lower specified screen. And consider if you really need two 24" ones. Anything from 17" upwards increases convenience, but not necessarily output quality. I've never regretted the day i got a couple of Eizo's. +1 I have a two ColorEdge Eizos and they are fantastic. If you want want to calibrate for print or any other purpose either the Eizos or the NECs are the only way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IWC Doppel Posted February 11, 2013 Share #20 Posted February 11, 2013 I am interested in how the Eizo / NEC compare visually and practically. I will at some stage move to a MACpro to allow for an upgrade path and would consider possibly the Eizo CG275W or NEC PA271W Any advice appreciated Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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