Guest tanks Posted March 19, 2013 Share #801  Posted March 19, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Leica UK is certainly demanding that existing Leica dealers commit to purchasing/stocking a considerable amount of M or S equipment, before they will confirm their Premier Dealer status. If they are not premier dealers, they cannot now order M or S equipment. ... Wilson  I find this really funny, basically committing to vaporware. Dealers can't get deliveries of bodies or lenses and the distributor is asking for commitments!!!  I was talking to a UK dealer this morning, he said he wanted 20 Ms from Leica UK, and response was that it would be at least 6 months for him to get that many.  Couple of lenses I have been asking about have not been available for weeks as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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dkCambridgeshire Posted March 19, 2013 Share #802  Posted March 19, 2013 I find this really funny, basically committing to vaporware. Dealers can't get deliveries of bodies or lenses and the distributor is asking for commitments!!! I was talking to a UK dealer this morning, he said he wanted 20 Ms from Leica UK, and response was that it would be at least 6 months for him to get that many.  Couple of lenses I have been asking about have not been available for weeks as well.   If you access the Leica Mayfair website and click on the Leica Select section where ex demo cameras are listed, the first part of the ex demo M offers states:  More M SETS coming soon. Please email your interest to select@leica-camera.co.uk.  ... given the numbers of demo M 240 bodies doing the rounds it's possible that Mayfair will have a few ex demo bodies available in future - maybe sooner than waiting for a new one. No harm in Emailing and asking  dunk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Gough Posted March 20, 2013 Share #803 Â Posted March 20, 2013 NO NO NO!I don't want to hear about it! Â Â Seriously though I'm not tempted as I rarely use lenses longer than 90mm. Â Wait til you try the 70-180mm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkP Posted March 20, 2013 Share #804  Posted March 20, 2013 Great, but as you quoted me stating I rarely shoot beyond 90mm, thats a lot of money for what would be for me a 70-90mm zoom .  However, I absolutely REFUSE to be tempted by the 3.5-4/21-35 Vario-Elmar-R I have bought ALL of the lenses I want and more than I need...DO YOU HEAR ME!!! Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/190687-preparing-for-the-m/?do=findComment&comment=2276946'>More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted March 21, 2013 Share #805  Posted March 21, 2013 For the time being, since I have sent back the Leitax R to M adapter and until the proper 240 R to M adapter arrives, I have bought an R to M adapter from Camerapix.co.uk. I purchased from the UK as it would be easier to send it back, if it was of poor quality. It was only £38 including postage. I am pleased to be able to report that it is a perfectly nice adapter with firm fit but not stupidly tight male and female bayonets at M and R ends. Infinity is reached and not exceeded by any significant amount, so dimensions appear correct. On checking with a M&W surface plane and dial gauge, the bayonets are parallel to within 1/1000". Of course it does not activate the framelines cam and has no coding pits, so no R lens menu appears but it will do pro-tem. If I get an Arax 80mm tilt/shift lens at some point in the future, it can sit on that.  Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_tribble Posted March 21, 2013 Author Share #806 Â Posted March 21, 2013 Dear Wilson - Jono has lent me one of these, but I've had problems as it fails to position the lens horizontally on the body. Not an issue with the 80-200, but it makes the 28 Super-Angulon PC useless. Can you report if your's lines the lens up correctly? Â As I'm now hearing that it's June (!!!) before the R to M adapter becomes available from Leica, I'm getting Malcolm Taylor to create something for me - and it will even have a tripod mount! I will report on progress as and when. Â In the whole M-240 launch, this is the silliest of delays. We have a brilliant working DRF camera, but can't play with those lovely R lenses we got in anticipation of the EVF function Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted March 21, 2013 Share #807  Posted March 21, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Chris,  You are quite correct. Looking from the back of the camera, the aperture mark is slightly displaced from its correct vertical position, to the left. In other words, the lens is slightly over rotated relative to the camera body. This is not an issue with standard lenses but as you say, means the shift axis will no longer be vertical but will lean top left to bottom right.  Now on the Arax, which I am proposing to get, that is not an issue as you can alter the shift axis through 360º, so could compensate for an error in the base shift axis. I presume the Leica R Super Angulon does not have this facility.  Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_tribble Posted March 21, 2013 Author Share #808  Posted March 21, 2013 Chris, Now on the Arax, which I am proposing to get, that is not an issue as you can alter the shift axis through 360º, so could compensate for an error in the base shift axis. I presume the Leica R Super Angulon does not have this facility.  Wilson  Unfortunately, this is the case. Very frustrating Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted March 21, 2013 Share #809 Â Posted March 21, 2013 Chris, Â I also cannot understand the delay in the R to M adapter. If you sent the CAD/CAM file and possibly even the CNC file plus material specs to any number of small batch component makers in Singapore, Thailand, Taiwan etc, they would have a couple of testing samples back with you within around 10 days and would be in full production, after agreement that specs fully met, within days. Surely Leica are not making these themselves in their Portuguese metal bashing shop? If they outsource things like batteries why not the adapters, which being dumb, are about as simple as it gets. Oh I forgot, the batteries are late as well. Â Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott kirkpatrick Posted March 21, 2013 Share #810 Â Posted March 21, 2013 I'm having the same problems with R to X inexpensive adapters. For me X is an Olympus E-PL5 (M4/3 half-frame image, but you can focus with 10X magnification!) or an M9. The first M to 4/3 adapter I purchased came out .3 mm too thin, so it overshoots infinity by quite a bit on a wide angle lens, not so much on the 135/3.4. The second adapter I got was for R to 4/3. It is a bit too thick, fails to reach infinity on my 60/2.8 Macro-Elmarit R (but infinity is less critical for that one). The third one is R-M -- can't focus, but I'll try it with the Macro and focus-bracketing to see if the thickness is off and to which side. Â At an average of about $20 per adapter from Amazon, this is not a terribly expensive series of experiments, but it is frustrating to see such poor quality control. And yes, the focus indicator has yet to end up on top of the lens when mounted. Does Leica's M - R come with a tripod mount (shaped for a Arca clamp?) when it finally is available? Â scott Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted March 21, 2013 Share #811  Posted March 21, 2013 Scott,  I share your frustration on poor quality, wrongly specced adapters. I have pretty much stopped buying no name adapters. The Metabones M to m4/3rds is very nice indeed and a reasonable price ($99). I now only buy from UK sources, where I can return them if they are rubbish. Below is a pic of the new Leica 14642 adapter, made out of diamonds and unobtanium, showing tripod foot.  Wilson Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/190687-preparing-for-the-m/?do=findComment&comment=2278011'>More sharing options...
MarkP Posted March 21, 2013 Share #812  Posted March 21, 2013 Scott, I share your frustration on poor quality, wrongly specced adapters. I have pretty much stopped buying no name adapters.  I was also advised against cheap & nasty adapters, but primarily because of the risk of metal being shaved off the adapter with regular use and finding its way onto the sensor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted March 21, 2013 Share #813 Â Posted March 21, 2013 I have been in correspondence with Adriano Lolli in Italy, whose adapters have a good reputation. Adriano Lolli - Home Page The good news he can supply a wide range of SLR to M adapters with a 28/90 mount. Canon FD, Contarex, M42, Miranda, OM, Pentax K, Contax/Yashica, Leica R, Nikon F and T2. I am considering getting a Contax/Yashica one. Â Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkP Posted March 21, 2013 Share #814  Posted March 21, 2013 I have been in correspondence with Adriano Lolli in Italy, whose adapters have a good reputation. Adriano Lolli - Home Page The good news he can supply a wide range of SLR to M adapters with a 28/90 mount. Canon FD, Contarex, M42, Miranda, OM, Pentax K, Contax/Yashica, Leica R, Nikon F and T2. I am considering getting a Contax/Yashica one.  Wilson  Yes, I have one which Manolo supplied when I bought his 2.8/28 PC Super-Angulon-R Very impressive build quality. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted March 21, 2013 Share #815 Â Posted March 21, 2013 Yes, I have one which Manolo supplied when I bought his 2.8/28 PC Super-Angulon-RVery impressive build quality. Â Mark, Â They are very reasonably priced as well. Good to know that they are well made into the bargain. After today's toing and froing with Chris, can you confirm that the radial alignment of your R adapter is correct, so that the shift axis of your Super Angulon is exactly vertical. This is the only problem with the otherwise OK Camerapix R to M adapter. Â Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_tribble Posted March 22, 2013 Author Share #816 Â Posted March 22, 2013 I'd be interested to hear on this too as though Malcolm has promised something, I'm never sure if when it will actually arrive Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted March 22, 2013 Share #817 Â Posted March 22, 2013 Chris, Â The only question that Silvia did not answer at Adriano Lolli, is whether they can mill coding pits. I think (and hope) that the answer is yes as I believe their adapters are actually SLR to LTM and then just use one of their LTM to M adapter rings, which do have coding pits milled in them. Â I asked the UK agent of Arax, Cam2, whether they would be able to get me an R mount version of their 80mm TS lens, which I know Arax make. I got a one word and unhelpful answer - No. I know I can buy direct from the Ukraine but I am not too keen on passing my credit card details over to there and my past experience of post from the Ukraine has been poor. The item was stolen en route, with a slit open padded envelope all that arrived. All the extra charges that UK customs impose over and above duty, then adding VAT on the total of the charges, duty and value, make importing a single item financially unattractive. Â Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkP Posted March 22, 2013 Share #818 Â Posted March 22, 2013 Yes, the Lolli adapter aligns the lens perfectly vertically on my M9 & MM. However there is about 0.5mm rotational play between adapter and camera, and none between the adapter and lens. Â I'm still waiting for my M to test the lens out, and I have an R-M adapter on order. Â Manolo can probably comment as he used the lens and adapter for years before I bought it from him, but I don't think he had any problems with it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted March 22, 2013 Share #819 Â Posted March 22, 2013 Yes, the Lolli adapter aligns the lens perfectly vertically on my M9 & MM.However there is about 0.5mm rotational play between adapter and camera, and none between the adapter and lens. Â I'm still waiting for my M to test the lens out, and I have an R-M adapter on order. Â Manolo can probably comment as he used the lens and adapter for years before I bought it from him, but I don't think he had any problems with it. Â Thanks for that info Mark. The bayonet on the M is substantially tighter than any previous M bayonet. My Amedeo Muscelli Visoflex replacement adapter, which is quite loose on my M4, 8 and 9, is acceptable on the new M. You may find the same thing with your Lolli adapter. The latest news I have had on the R adapter is June! I really cannot understand this for something so simple and easily outsourced. Â Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_tribble Posted March 22, 2013 Author Share #820 Â Posted March 22, 2013 Wilson - I'm thinking of going in this direction as an interim. If I do, I'd be really interested in hearing your opinion of the Canon Tripod ring on the 80-200. This may be the best solution for me in the end, as lens rotation isn't possible with the Leica R to M mount. Was the only modification needed to get the Canon ring working to remove or grind down the red plastic button on the lens? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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