New M and Macro + Wide angle

[UliWer]

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Yes... but of course you lose the extension provided by the Viso Body... all the traditional computations on repro ratios are vanified : one of the ideas I'm toying with is that, for static macro, the Viso+vertical finder could even be kept for ease of framing (vertical finder is very good in this) , and the LCD used for fine tuning of the focus (even playing with diaph closure) , so overtaking also the possible misadjustements of Viso... but of course... we will see in practice at due time.

 

That's exactly what I first thought when I read the original question: Keep the Viso for it normally will do anything you need, use the display if you like or have to.

 

Yes, my idea too : the EVF could act as the "single addon VF" : to be verified the performance in low light and interiors (in which one can have "spot lights" that I don't know which risks can have seeing into an EVF) I suppose that in some situations there's nothing good like a good modern VF like the 21 or the 18 or the Franken (which I haven't)

 

Compared with the optical viewfinders the additional EVF is clumsy. It's a "Franken-Visoflex". For short focal lengthes focussing with the camera's viewfinder is much more precise and quick. The display may be helpful to avoid misalignment - always a problem for wide angles. I'd always stick to optics as long as I havn't seen a completely different EVF.

 

I don't think... unless one searches for some focal in which a used R can be an intriguing alternative...say, the 19 if one thinks of the M 18... (but only if R 19 is significantly cheaper) ... the 15 3,5/2,8 for R could be one of the most interesting (probably it's even not so much bulkier than a costly WATE...) , but it looks scarce in the market

The present M-super-wides should not be worse than the R-models. So if one already has an R for 19 or even 15mm it might be worth a try. Otherwise I'd consider to wait whether the issue of red edges will be solved by the new sensor. Than the Voigtlander wides could become even more popular than they already seem to be.

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[wlaidlaw]

I think it would be wise before either becoming dismissive or over enthusiastic over the abilities of the EVF2, we need to try it out in real life. We will then find out what it will and won't do.

 

Wilson

[UliWer]

That's certainly true. The EVF is just an add on for the new M. It is no essential feature for using the camera in its proper range.

[UliWer]

... With the new M will it be possible to connect the bellows directly to the M and dispense with the Visoflex body for macro work? Any thoughts on limitations / issues that might arise?

 

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Here you are:

 

http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/digitalforum/63957-neues-zur-g1-53.html#post787007

 

(BTW: Does anybody still remember the Panasonic G1 which first caused those questions about adaption?)

 

 

And here you might get some further ideas:

http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/andere-leica-produkte/258011-modifizierte-anwendung-leitz-m-zwischenringe-fuer.html#post2204577

[luigi bertolotti]

Luigi,

 

Don't most of the longer Viso lenses have a tripod mount and rotation? For the shorter lenses, the M-240 has a more robust tripod thread than the M8/9.

 

Wilson

 

That's true... I thought of 200... but forgot it must be OUBIOed (with tripod/rotation facilty)... and 280 III with Televit (one of my preferred set) doesn't need tripod by definition, in this config... at the end... there is only the 180 2,8, which is an odd lens... ; you're right... better simpler, well made, and at low cost.

[wlaidlaw]

Here you are:

 

http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/digitalforum/63957-neues-zur-g1-53.html#post787007

 

(BTW: Does anybody still remember the Panasonic G1 which first caused those questions about adaption?)

 

 

And here you might get some further ideas:

http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/andere-leica-produkte/258011-modifizierte-anwendung-leitz-m-zwischenringe-fuer.html#post2204577

 

Thanks for that link. So it is a 543195 Microscope adapter. Sadly I missed one recently on eBay Germany. I will put in a saved search for one. It might be nice to have a pattern to copy.

 

Wilson

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[wlaidlaw]

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I was really excited when I got a message from eBay today, there were a number of 543195's for sale. Opened it up but it turns out that this is also a part number for a rear tonneau cover for a GM S-10 truck. I did not want to add Leica, as that would not bring up items listed under Leitz or just the number but unless I want to be told every day that there is a GM Tonneau cover I can use with my Visoflex lenses, I guess I better add Leica to the search parameters.

 

Wilson

[chris_tribble]

Ah - I feel your pain. Malcolm has one of these, but I'm sure he's holding onto it for the moment as a prototype - he can see the potential.

 

[gravastar]

Use eBay's Advanced Search.

 

Suggest something along the lines of: 543195 (leica,leitz) as the search string. That should find 543195 AND (leica OR leitz). You could also try 543295 -tonneau which will find 543295 ANDNOT tonneau.

 

Don't forget to set up searches on www.ebay.de , www.ebay.at , .es , .fr and similar which if you are in the UK are not searched unless you explicitly go to the site and look.

 

ETA: You can always enter a url into www.translate.google.com if you have language problems

 

 

Bob.

[wlaidlaw]

Use eBay's Advanced Search.

 

Suggest something along the lines of: 543195 (leica,leitz) as the search string. That should find 543195 AND (leica OR leitz). You could also try 543295 -tonneau which will find 543295 ANDNOT tonneau.

 

Don't forget to set up searches on www.ebay.de , www.ebay.at , .es , .fr and similar which if you are in the UK are not searched unless you explicitly go to the site and look.

 

ETA: You can always enter a url into www.translate.google.com if you have language problems

 

 

Bob.

 

Bob,

 

This is a major failing in the eBay search system. I am on their and Paypal's consumer panel and I have brought this up a number of times but I get the feeling that the companies have only set up the panels as lip service to consumerism and don't actually listen to anything we tell them, unless it is good news. It is actually better to do a worldwide search on Google but that also brings up loads of expired sales. There used to be eBay search engines but they seem to have disappeared.

 

Wilson

[wlaidlaw]

Ah - I feel your pain. Malcolm has one of these, but I'm sure he's holding onto it for the moment as a prototype - he can see the potential.

 

 

Chris,

 

At least Malcolm has one and can use that as a pattern. Throat diameter was one of my concerns.

 

Wilson

[gravastar]

Bob,

 

This is a major failing in the eBay search system. I am on their and Paypal's consumer panel and I have brought this up a number of times but I get the feeling that the companies have only set up the panels as lip service to consumerism and don't actually listen to anything we tell them, unless it is good news. It is actually better to do a worldwide search on Google but that also brings up loads of expired sales. There used to be eBay search engines but they seem to have disappeared.

 

Wilson

That's jogged my memory! Didn't Andreas set up an eBay search routine for members of this board that overcame the european problem? At the moment I can't find the link. I remember it only found items which were available at the time you searched, it did not have provision for notifying you when items satisfying the search criteria were posted for auction/sale.

 

Bob.

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Do you mean this one?

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[thighslapper]

Been on hols and missed this thread ...... but have had a good think about the options and the following master plan is under way .....

 

Can't see any point using other than existing M lenses for wide angle.

 

Have sourced a mint TXBOO to use my visoflex long lenses ..... they just screw in and it has both a tripod support and flash/finder attachment....

 

As for macro a Macro-Elmarit R 60/2.8 plus the 2x converter is cheap 2nd hand and with the new R adapter on the M should provide a more mobile solution than the visoflex and/or bellows. With high usable ISO this should work a treat.

 

That should keep me happy for a few years ....:)

[jaques]

Bob,

 

This is a major failing in the eBay search system. I am on their and Paypal's consumer panel and I have brought this up a number of times but I get the feeling that the companies have only set up the panels as lip service to consumerism and don't actually listen to anything we tell them, unless it is good news.

 

Wilson

 

I gave up on ebay or paypal listening to anything users have to say around 5 years ago. There is one Monopoly that deserves to fail. However no one else has ever seemed to be able to compete- though it seems like a death by a thousand cuts looms: etsy, shopify, etc.

 

Ebay started out with such a market lead: I believe they became unbelievably arrogant. They probably think they have never taken a wrong step: but if they had acted differently 10 years ago I think they could have grown their base even further and have created an unassailable market dominance.

 

Back to topic: there is going to be a whole new market for accessory rings and adapters for the M. It seems you will be able to use an enormous range of glass on the cameras- and I think the movie making aspect may actually really boom: if the image quality is on a par with cameras like the canon 5dmk11- it could be a serious film making tool. Curious to see how one goes focusing a video via RF...

 

I can see a Cine version with Rapid Focus Lever of the adapter ring discussed in this thread for using all the leica Viso lenses with removable lens heads....

 

This video takes a while to load but demonstrates the almost unlimited accessorizing possibilities for the Leica M, and Leica glass in the near future:

 

 

the smart people will start making these accessories now...

 

One question: will you be able to use an external monitor like with the canon in the video? Does the EVF output allow such a connection?

[wlaidlaw]

Jaques,

 

You will need to employ a "focus puller" with his note book and measuring tape. Where I used to have my office for 20 years in Spitalfields Market in London, the area was frequently used to make period films. It was fascinating to watch the focus pullers at work, changing the focus according to the schedule of the shot and the huge amount of shouting that went on if the director changed the sequence, without advising the puller or the puller got his sequence wrong.

 

I think the rotatable head on the EVF 2 will be a great feature for getting low angles nicely. I use this quite a bit on the EVF of my Ricoh GX200, which also has a tilting head. I really missed not having an angle viewer for my M's. I know there was one available as a kit with the Macro 90 lens but I was advised not to bother.

 

Wilson

[janki]

The new Leica M is built with so-called weather sealing.

 

Wouldn’t it now be natural to expect a few new weather sealed compact zooms with M-mount from Leica, - let’s say in the range: 21-35 mm and 50-135mm?

[jaques]

personally I think a weather sealed tri or bi elmar type lens would be pretty awesome to go with the M. Apparently the Mate and Wate lenses are very complex and consequently quite fragile. It seems that Leica could simplify the design by losing the marvelous capacity for the lens to automatically adjust framelines and make this something the user has to set by a lever or similar on the lens.

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[wlaidlaw]

Jaques,

 

Certainly the MATE is very complicated but the V2 is less fragile than its reputation. Since a frame issue with mine some 4 years ago, requiring a visit to Solms, it has travelled all over with me, sitting on the floor of rally cars through thousands of miles of off road routes. It is still working perfectly.

 

The WATE is not really complicated at all. It is really just a near telecentric Zoom 16 to 21mm and thus no more complicated than the zooms made for many DSLR's. It does not have the multiple (6 I think) concentric sleeves of the MATE and obviously no frame change mechanism.

 

Nowadays for the M-240, a simple zoom would work just fine for the mid range, if you were prepared to do without framing. However I cannot see Leica being comfortable with this solution, although many would be. The answer pro tem is to use one of the mid range R zooms or a Canon MF-FD Zoom with a Fotodiox FD to M adapter. The final version of the Canon 35-70mm f2.8-3.5 has a good reputation as does the later 35-105mm f3.5, which has macro as well.

 

Wilson