plasticman Posted September 29, 2012 Share #381 Posted September 29, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) I'm trying to work out why the guy in the picture thought he needed to use it like a Nex... Better get used to it Chris - this is how a whole horde of new Leica owners are gonna be using their 'mirrorless deluxe' cameras. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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lct Posted September 29, 2012 Share #382 Posted September 29, 2012 Lenses have (more or less) the same size. It's just that they protrude farther on the M 240. Looking at other pictures, i'm not sure of that at all though... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
okram Posted September 29, 2012 Share #383 Posted September 29, 2012 I had resized M8 to match the lenses. Its not perfect, but I think it shows well the thickness difference. It seems that pictures are taken from slightly different angle, since on M8 I cant see the lens throat ring, and on M its visible... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest malland Posted September 29, 2012 Share #384 Posted September 29, 2012 Better get used to it Chris - this is how a whole horde of new Leica owners are gonna be using their 'mirrorless deluxe' cameras. I suppose that the tone of this is meant to be sardonic. However, I think it's just silly to look down on framing by means of an LCD and people like to call it "chimping" — but, hey, I like chimps. Seriously, though, with small, light cameras, notably the Ricoh GRD, framing by looking at the LCD to establish roughly the edges of the frame and then looking directly at the subject when pressing the shutter is a technique that helps a fluid and loose style that I like for street photography. You can see Moriyama Daido demonstrating this technique with a compact film camera],(a Ricoh GR1 (without an LCD). Nothing to laugh at or be sarcastic about. However, a Leica-M camera, like my new M-Monochrom, is, for me, too large a heavy for this technique, but still lends itself, occasionally, to general panning of the scene to shoot in this general manner. —Mitch/Potomac, MD Bangkok Hysteria (download link for book project) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
philipus Posted September 29, 2012 Share #385 Posted September 29, 2012 framing by means of an LCD and people like to call it "chimping" Chimping as a popular term refers to the practice of checking photos on the screen after they've been taken. However, while I do agree that framing using the LCD looks a bit strange with an M, I will, however, be able to get over it. And let's not forget that Leica has several cameras without a viewfinder and that arms-length picture taking, wielding Leica gear sporting the venerable Red Dot, has been common for several years. When I tried Live View on the M, and specifically focus peaking, I found it very user-friendly indeed. The small form factor of the M and a 50 Summilux - as compared to my 5D2 and the EF 50 1.4 - means it is very easy to hand hold and frame using the screen, even with bigger lenses. To my hands, the difference is in the form factor and shape rather than the weight (which, as has been discussed in another thread, is very little between these two setups). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
plasticman Posted September 29, 2012 Share #386 Posted September 29, 2012 I suppose that the tone of this is meant to be sardonic. However, I think it's just silly to look down on framing by means of an LCD... I genuinely don't care how people use their Ms - but I imagine holding the camera at arm's length is bound to annoy some traditionalists. More interesting is how the new iteration takes the M much closer to other systems - both in use and technology. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steamboat Posted September 30, 2012 Share #387 Posted September 30, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) 'Just read thru all 20 pages. Good discussion. First can we please settle one issue of size? The M5 is bigger than the M4. Does anybody have a guess as to the cost of the EVF? It would be wonderful if it were included but I'm looking outdoors and see no pigs flying around. So assuming it's extra cost anybody think US$1,500 is a good guess on cost? If that's where it ends up it really drives the true cost of the M up. Also, I asked on page 7 about whether there is a sensor cleaner or not. I saw an answer that made reference to a vague item from a PDF that described a sensor cleaner, but I'm talking about the automatic kind that Canon and Nikon (& others I'd assume) make use of. My little under US$600 Nikon D3200 (24Megapixel sensor, live view, video, but not FF) has an auto sensor cleaner and it's great. Anyway, again, the long discussion has made for good reading. I have an M8.2 so I'm way up in the air on what to get next. I've used M cameras for ages and borrowed an M9 from Leica to shoot Mardi Gras this year so I really want to get back to FF. Good shooting to all of you regardless of your cameras. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
philipus Posted September 30, 2012 Share #388 Posted September 30, 2012 Does anybody have a guess as to the cost of the EVF? Red Dot lists it at £360, Leicashop at €396. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanG Posted September 30, 2012 Share #389 Posted September 30, 2012 Does anybody have a guess as to the cost of the EVF? It would be wonderful if it were included but I'm looking outdoors and see no pigs flying around. So assuming it's extra cost anybody think US$1,500 is a good guess on cost? The Leica EVF2 for the X2 is $500. I can't see how they can charge more for the same viewfinder just because you are going to place it on an M. The Olympus VF2 is the same finder and costs $228. I can't see any reason why this would not be usable on the M. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted September 30, 2012 Share #390 Posted September 30, 2012 ...I can't see any reason why this would not be usable on the M. Proprietary connector? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanG Posted September 30, 2012 Share #391 Posted September 30, 2012 Proprietary connector? Well the M literature says it is the same EVF2 that goes on the X2. Since people say the Olympus finder fits into the X2 I don't see how it wouldn't work on the M. Plus the system needs to stay compatible with other Olympus accessories such as microphones. It seems like a lot of work to re-do these things when Leica can just make some cosmetic changes, stick their name on it and double the price. You could use a $3.00 lens cap too but somebody must be buying those expensive Leica ones. Anyway I suspect the $228 Olympus finder will work and not stretch too many budgets. Otherwise it'll cost $500. Even $500 is quite a deal considering Sony's RX1 finder is $600 (but a similar one for the Nex is $260.) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steamboat Posted October 1, 2012 Share #392 Posted October 1, 2012 Obviously, I'll never do well on The Price is Right (old USA TV show). Thanks - good to hear it's not up to my price. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
doronski Posted October 1, 2012 Share #393 Posted October 1, 2012 I saw a chart comparing the M models but seem to have lost it again. Could someone please point me in the right direction? TIA D:) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angora Posted October 2, 2012 Share #394 Posted October 2, 2012 Since people say the Olympus finder fits into the X2 I don't see how it wouldn't work on the M. Firmware. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted October 2, 2012 Share #395 Posted October 2, 2012 Firmware. No, it's the same finder with the same connector, it will work. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanG Posted October 2, 2012 Share #396 Posted October 2, 2012 Firmware. I doubt they'll block it, even if that is possible and still have it work on the X2, because it will just look like a cheap ploy to force you to pay more. We'll probably know for sure before long but my bet is on compatibility since the existing EVFs from Panasonic and Olympus are compatible with suitable Leica models. In any case once you have either EVF you can use it on various Olympus models too. And that could be handy for some. Plus any new and improved EVF from Olympus might also work on the M and that will benefit Leica and its users too. I bet there is more in common under the hood too in order to have the EVF/LCD button work and to have the clip on microphones work. Why would Leica license the finder and microphones and need to re-invent the wheel to make them work on their camera? I think Leica looks very smart in finding help and partners for things that need more r&d costs than can be justified by Leica's sales numbers. Why spend time making their own EVFs or even modifying the interface or firmware to block the Olympus one when that would only hold up resources from going to the more important things that Leica has to work on? Especially when Leica has already established that some people will pay more for a re-branded item. I think they used to charge more for a Leica PC lens than if you bought the same one with Schneider's name on it. BTW there is also the cheaper VF-3 Olympus finder and they have a bluetooth transmitter that plugs into that port too which probably is not supported by the M. But you never know what that port might be used for in the future. http://www.olympusamerica.com/cpg_section/product.asp?product=1573&page=accessories Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steamboat Posted October 2, 2012 Share #397 Posted October 2, 2012 I'm sure this has been discussed but off-hand could somebody tell me what that button is on the front of the camera up-and-to-left of the lens release? I've done reading and viewing on the camera but haven't seen that mentioned. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
anupmc Posted October 2, 2012 Share #398 Posted October 2, 2012 That button on the front activates Live View (edit) Zoom and Focus Peaking. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bundestrainer Posted October 2, 2012 Share #399 Posted October 2, 2012 I saw a chart comparing the M models but seem to have lost it again. Could someone please point me in the right direction? TIA D:) This might have been on Thorsten Overgaard's website. Have a look there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
viramati Posted October 2, 2012 Share #400 Posted October 2, 2012 Have bought a used olympus EVF2 on ebay for £100. Can't wait to get my M to use it on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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