lars_bergquist Posted September 12, 2012 Share #21 Â Posted September 12, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) All right Jaques, I see that the last picture is a crop from the second one. What is it supposed to say? That current Leica lenses are brilliant? I think so too. Â You might have supported your argument by taking two pictures of the same subject from the same angle and under the same conditions, and from a tripod, so that they are actually comparable, and then showing us two identical crops, demonstrating that they are different enough to, hm, make a difference. Â The current discussions about 'fingerprints' are, in my modest opinion, a Leicadom inside substitute for talk about the weather. It makes no difference to the weather or anything else, but it keeps a noncommittal conversation going, making us feel sociable. Â The old man from the Pleistocene Age Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted September 12, 2012 Posted September 12, 2012 Hi lars_bergquist, Take a look here Selecting one Elmar of three [21,24,28]. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
IWC Doppel Posted September 12, 2012 Share #22 Â Posted September 12, 2012 I beleive this 28mm lens is Mandler, the pictures look great, if I didn't already own the Summicron 28, I would look at one of these, I have always liked the 'look' of images I have seen. Is this the lens ? http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-wiki.en/index.php/28mm_f/2.8_Elmarit_II Â I must find and link that great thread on Mandler lenses, including shots showing this lens, it might be of some assistance Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IWC Doppel Posted September 12, 2012 Share #23 Â Posted September 12, 2012 Here you go http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/customer-forum/45854-praise-mandler-lenses.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
menos I M6 Posted September 12, 2012 Share #24  Posted September 12, 2012 Please forgive my rudeness, born no doubt of my proletarian and peasant origins, but to my ears, discussions of the fine points of rendering of current Leica M lenses sound like outright mysticism, or brutally expressed, mumbo-jumbo. A primitive like me wants the lens to have high definition. The bokeh should also be fine, i.e. introducing as few and unobtrusive artifacts as possible. Current Leica M lenses answer brilliantly to these demands. So I am very satisfied with those that I own. The subtleties some people are discussing are, if not entirely imaginary, so fine that they are irrelevant to hand-held action shooting – which is what a Leica is made for.  Go take some pictures instead.  The old man from the Pleistocene Age  I am sorry, that you cannot follow our little discussion about lens mumbo jumbo  For the rest, here are sample shots from three different 21mm lenses:  21 ƒ2.8 Avenon Super Wide Millennium (a very classic rendering, low contrast lens)  21-35 ƒ3.4-4 Konica Hexanon Dual (a very modern, super sharp lens, but with a more balanced, natural pallet of tones)  21 ƒ3.4 Super-Elmar (deadly sharp and highly contrasty - so much so, to kill a lot of detail in shadows and highlights with digital cameras)  You are out to guess, which shot was made with which lens (easy, I tag most shots, but even without the tags, spotting each lens is so easy, that even Lars could see ).  Le Mans 24h 2012 - fun park by teknopunk.com, on Flickr  Le Mans 24h 2012 - fans at fence by teknopunk.com, on Flickr Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
menos I M6 Posted September 12, 2012 Share #25  Posted September 12, 2012 … and the rest of the samples: Untitled by teknopunk.com, on Flickr  Untitled by teknopunk.com, on Flickr  Konica M-Hexar Dual 21-35 f3.4-4 by teknopunk.com, on Flickr  stripes everywhere - 21 f2.8 Superwide Avenon - Millennium by teknopunk.com, on Flickr Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaques Posted September 12, 2012 Share #26  Posted September 12, 2012 All right Jaques, I see that the last picture is a crop from the second one. What is it supposed to say? That current Leica lenses are brilliant? I think so too. You might have supported your argument by taking two pictures of the same subject from the same angle and under the same conditions, and from a tripod, so that they are actually comparable, and then showing us two identical crops, demonstrating that they are different enough to, hm, make a difference.  The current discussions about 'fingerprints' are, in my modest opinion, a Leicadom inside substitute for talk about the weather. It makes no difference to the weather or anything else, but it keeps a noncommittal conversation going, making us feel sociable.  The old man from the Pleistocene Age  sorry Lars- you misunderstood me- I actually agree with you to an extent about the so called 'unique fingerprints' of various lenses. I personally think subject matter is almost infinitely more important...  and I wasn't trying to make a point about current Leica glass- or make a test- I was actually showing how a vintage pre-asph lens (v2 elmarit-1973?) is possibly a viable (and economical) option for the OP and to me produces very pleasing results.  In a way I think I was agreeing with the spirit of your post?  all's I was questioning was the admonition to 'go and take pictures' - I am afraid I have developed an intolerance to the phrase- it crops up so often as a final word on this or that topic...  I apologise if I offended. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted September 12, 2012 Share #27 Â Posted September 12, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) The primitives i know (i saw one in my mirror this morning) can understand that not everybody shares their tastes. Some like sharpness over all, other prefer a dreamy rendering and others like both as your truly. My favorite lens currently is what some sharpness maniacs could call a "dog" i.e. a late Summilux 35/1.4 pre-asph made in Germany. YMMV. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lars_bergquist Posted September 12, 2012 Share #28  Posted September 12, 2012 Jacques, I do own the 1974 'thin' 90mm Elmarit, I use it and I like it – properly stopped down, to be sure. I also own the more recently discontinued 90mm Elmarit-M, and it is simply stunning, when I do my bit. It is for the times when I suspect that I may need to use f:2.8 or 4.0.  Leica lenses have always been designed to give us the best 'high fidelity' rendering of visual reality possible with the technology then available. Technology has improved, and with it the fidelity. There must always be a design goal, and this is the most objective (!), generally applicable and accepted goal available. Some people may have other goals. This is of course OK – people are or should be free to pursue any goals that are compatible with the welfare of others – but these are highly individual. Leica M optics is a niche. An attempt to satisfy very individual and specialised tastes would have made it into a niche within a niche, which would effectively mean oblivion.  The old man again Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gberger Posted September 14, 2012 Share #29 Â Posted September 14, 2012 Like the OP, the 50mm was my lens of choice for many years. After using a 35 Lux, I finally "discovered" decent wide angle with the 24mm Elmarit ASPH. To me, the 24mm is a wonderful compromise between the normal view of the 50mm and the exaggeration of the 21mm. YMMV Â Until I had to quit shooting (macular degeneration), the 24mm was glued to my M7. The 24 has a slight learning curve, but well worth the trouble. It replaced my 35 Lux as the wider alternative to my 50 Lux. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomasis7 Posted September 16, 2012 Author Share #30 Â Posted September 16, 2012 Ive been thinking, reading around forth and back. I decided to try 24mm Elmar 3.8 when I feel that my kit will consist of 24mm and 50mm. Â If it doesnt work, I can always resell stuffs. Im too curious not to try out latest lenses and see if I can work with those. The reason is ability to shoot with high iso with Monochrome thus I choose lightest most compact lenses available. Even I prefer 260gram over 300gram. Such tiny things make difference for me since I use hand hold camera without strap in a few hours straight shooting. Â I think the reason of doubting to do something that I have sentiments to my current lenses but I have to act bold and cut ties to those and start a new way with newest lenses. Â I will come back and comment other posts here later. The discussion was good here! Even Lars has good point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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