jaques Posted June 21, 2012 Share #161 Posted June 21, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) I think you will be proved absolutely 100% wrong... there will be two new cameras at Photokina (excluding any new S series)... of course I may be wrong too Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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lct Posted June 21, 2012 Share #162 Posted June 21, 2012 From PanaLeica perhaps but MM + M10 + 50 apo + S products should be enough for Leica in 2012 in my most humble opinion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted June 21, 2012 Share #163 Posted June 21, 2012 So, no new Leica products at Photokina in 2012? Sounds like a very large, very empty hall. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevelap Posted June 21, 2012 Share #164 Posted June 21, 2012 Most probably M10 (or whatever) at least. It seems that part of the reason for the entire hall is Leica taking over the photo exhibition duties, after the legacy provider withdrew. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaques Posted June 21, 2012 Share #165 Posted June 21, 2012 There will be two new cameras: M10 and the other one. There will be new lenses. There will be new accessories. M9M is not really a new camera (IMO)- it is a clever modification of an existing one. Leica have obviously been playing around with prototypes of new M cameras since the Titanium- and my prediction is that the M10 will be housed in a Hermes type body... and already exists... Leica can't wait until 2014... They have tripled lens production, a new factory and a new investor. They made record proffits and have expansive dreams. The M9 has been squeezed dry... Other manufacturers are moving into their territory... Time for new cameras- and higher prices... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted June 21, 2012 Share #166 Posted June 21, 2012 They will put the flash shoe back, at the very least Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaques Posted June 21, 2012 Share #167 Posted June 21, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) true- was there a hermes like edition with Hot shoe amongst those titanium prototypes? if so then there is you m10 ;-) I kinda hope they go for dual frame line illumination: natural light and auxiliary LED... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted June 21, 2012 Share #168 Posted June 21, 2012 From PanaLeica perhaps but MM + M10 + 50 apo + S products should be enough for Leica in 2012 in my most humble opinion. I forgot the X2 and its EVF. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaques Posted June 21, 2012 Share #169 Posted June 21, 2012 understandable: it is pretty forgettable.... if you ask me... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveYork Posted June 21, 2012 Share #170 Posted June 21, 2012 The CL was introduced because the M5 had failed on the vine. The CL tided the company over till they could decide what to do with the M series. Today, OTOH, the M camera is selling well and the question becomes how to introduce a less expensive camera that doesn't compete with the M system but has some compatibility with it. Check your history. The CL stole sales from the M5. There are several reasons why the M5 didn't sell well, despite its' innovative design. One is that it was never marketed alone. In '71 and '72 Leica sold the M5, but still offered the much less expensive M4 (approx. 1/2 the price of the M5). Starting in '73 they sold the M5 along with the CL. Although I don't believe the M5 would have sold like earlier Ms, if for no other reason because of the shift to SLRs, Leica didn't help itself by offering too many rangefinders. And Leica won't make the same mistake today. That's why we'll never see a less expensive digital rangefinder. Maybe some other camera, but not a rangefinder. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted June 21, 2012 Share #171 Posted June 21, 2012 Check your history... Howard's talking personal experience, not history lesson. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosuna Posted June 21, 2012 Share #172 Posted June 21, 2012 Check your history. The CL stole sales from the M5. There are several reasons why the M5 didn't sell well, despite its' innovative design. One is that it was never marketed alone. In '71 and '72 Leica sold the M5, but still offered the much less expensive M4 (approx. 1/2 the price of the M5). Starting in '73 they sold the M5 along with the CL. Although I don't believe the M5 would have sold like earlier Ms, if for no other reason because of the shift to SLRs, Leica didn't help itself by offering too many rangefinders. And Leica won't make the same mistake today. That's why we'll never see a less expensive digital rangefinder. Maybe some other camera, but not a rangefinder. The only significant functional difference between the M4 and M5 was the integrated light meter. The M5 was ugly and more expensive. It is not a surprise the failure of the M5. We are talking here about two very different cameras: a classical rangefinder and an EVF camera, MF lenses versus AF/MF lenses, and so on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted June 21, 2012 Share #173 Posted June 21, 2012 I've never found the M5 ugly. A rather clean design rather.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdai Posted June 21, 2012 Share #174 Posted June 21, 2012 Let's do a recap on the AP interview, it's quite obvious IMO regarding what will happen. Please allow me to quote some of the key takeaways ... the URL below will link you back to the original: Leica blows hot and cold in Berlin | Photography news - Camera news, photo news and photography events | Amateur Photographer The £1,350 'Blad adapter for the S-system would have been cheaper if Hasselblad had co-operated on its development, admitted a Leica source. Firm considering adapters for other professional systemsWe'll probably see a Mamiya lens adapter for the S2. No new S lenses for the time being? Leica bosses tight-lipped on a CSC for Photokina but 'M family' is very high on the agenda. Leica chiefs see APS-C as industry standard on any future CSC. But AP got a strong feeling that any CSC from Leica will not appear by September. Leica chairman Dr Andreas Kaufmann refused to comment when asked if bosses have gone cold on the idea, stressing Leica already has a compact system.There'll be no CSC this year and Leica management seemed to have cooled down with the idea. There might be a new M but with a handicapped frame sensor given Stefan Daniel's mentioning about its projected pricing ... a digital CL? Leica commits to S-system but won't say when next one coming. Company invests more in S than M systems. Its lips are sealed on the contents of the company's '5-7 year roadmap'. Leica aims to be the market leader in digital medium format. Says whole global market is over 6,000 units per yearThere could be a S3 or perhaps S2.2 more likely? but they aren't sure exactly what they are going to do at this moment of time. Leica considered a 'sliding-door' as a cover for the LCD on the Mono M, to make the camera look more traditionalThat would be awesome - put the ISO dial back on it! Leica considering video but points to drawbacks such as overheating and battery lifeNo video on whatever is coming next ... who cares ... really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted June 21, 2012 Share #175 Posted June 21, 2012 Let's do a recap on the AP interview, it's quite obvious IMO regarding what will happen. Please allow me to quote some of the key takeaways ... the URL below will link you back to the original: Leica blows hot and cold in Berlin | Photography news - Camera news, photo news and photography events | Amateur Photographer We'll probably see a Mamiya lens adapter for the S2. No new S lenses for the time being? They have introduced the shuttered lenses in Berlin There'll be no CSC this year and Leica management seemed to have cooled down with the idea. There might be a new M but with a handicapped frame sensor given Stefan Daniel's mentioning about its projected pricing ... a digital CL? Very doubbtful imo - but a CSC maybe next year, not now There could be a S3 or perhaps S2.2 more likely? but they aren't sure exactly what they are going to do at this moment of time. Little secret - Leica knows exactly - watch the Photokina. That would be awesome - put the ISO dial back on it! No video on whatever is coming next ... who cares ... really. Yup. Wait and see, I think video might come:o Sliding door? hmmmm... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaques Posted June 21, 2012 Share #176 Posted June 21, 2012 i still stand by my predictions (for the time being)... Surely the brick like shape of the M5 played a role in it's failure? What a hopeless camera: imagine buying it at twice the price of a sleek M4? You'd have to be mad... it's not like you couldn't get a small hand held light meter in those days... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ming Rider Posted June 21, 2012 Share #177 Posted June 21, 2012 I've never found the M5 ugly. A rather clean design rather.... +1 As born out by the fact they now sell for silly money, otherwise I'd have one tomorrow. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M9reno Posted June 21, 2012 Share #178 Posted June 21, 2012 There are several reasons why the M5 didn't sell well, despite its' innovative design. One is that it was never marketed alone. Just out of curiosity: has any M ever been marketed alone? From my limited knowledge, Leica marketing has always taken a strategy of product overlaps, and might still do (despite the recent suggestion of the 'end of film'). Thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaques Posted June 21, 2012 Share #179 Posted June 21, 2012 +1 As born out by the fact they now sell for silly money, otherwise I'd have one tomorrow. I'll sell you one tomorrow happily: no silly price... it's a beater- slow shutter speeds hang- there is separation in the finder (they are prone to that)- but all perfectly usable and ready to go- meter works just fine... (though you'd probably do better with a CV clip on meter...) I wonder have you handled one? Not nice compared to an m2,3,4,6,7,8 or 9- even an M1... the camera is a classic design failure if you ask me. It didn't just fail because of the CL- it failed against the SLR's from Japan- it failed aesthetically. It failed miserably. Strikes me that similar thing could happen to Leica again today if they were not careful... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdai Posted June 21, 2012 Share #180 Posted June 21, 2012 They have introduced the shuttered lenses in Berlin The CS lenses were actually introduced 4 years ago back in 2008 ... I don't think they are readily avaialable yet even after the re-introduction. Little secret - Leica knows exactly - watch the Photokina. I hope it's not just a S-Monochrom ... I wish I were wrong with this one. A downsized S camera with R compatibility is my wish. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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