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Das Wesentliche. Does the phrase make sense?

jaapv

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Yes, it is said to run on the Mac, and no, you can't buy it as a very solvent foreign client bought it with all rights and took it off the market.

 

All documented in Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency.

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All documented in Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency.

 

An excellent little series on the BBC, which has just been canned as "too expensive". Yet they basically seem to pay for the Eurovision Song Charade every year...

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I must say, the announcement of the MM is the first time a new Leica product has produced no wish to acquire it at all. A B&W camera costing more than a colour version seems to me of no interest.

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This week I was shooting in the theatre with not so much light. I had my Nikon D3 with a 85mm at 2500 asa and still made photo's around 1/20 sec.

 

Wouldn't it be wonderful to shoot these with my Leica with apo 90 and still have the same noise level.

or could I do it in Black and White, as I did 10 years ago with 3200 Tmax?

 

Is colour das Wesentliche für mich?

 

perhaps just wait and see what the future brings and for the time being have fun with the old MP loaded with Tmax.

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Douglas Adams had one of his figures invent a support decision software. In contrast to all other products, you first entered the desired outcome and the software produced a bullet-proof reasoning which inevitably led to the desired outcome. The army was said to be the first customer for this product.

 

If only ..

 

 

 

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This week I was shooting in the theatre with not so much light. I had my Nikon D3 with a 85mm at 2500 asa and still made photo's around 1/20 sec.

 

Wouldn't it be wonderful to shoot these with my Leica with apo 90 and still have the same noise level.

or could I do it in Black and White, as I did 10 years ago with 3200 Tmax?

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If that's what you were getting with your D3 you could use an M9 with a 75 (1.4?) and make the same shot at the same aperture at ISO 1600 or 2000 with the same shutter (yes, the M9 is more light sensitive than the D3. It's just a metering thing; the D3 still shoots at ISO 3200 and above; the M9 not so much...).

 

If you wanted BW as an output, and your standard is 3200 Tmax, you'd be more than happy with the M9 shot.

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It is most unfortunate that Wikipedia has described the USE of Leica as follows. Nowhere does it seem to say is a great camera for taking great pictures.

 

The Leica is particularly associated with street photography, especially in the mid-to-late 20th century, being used by such noted photographers as Henri Cartier-Bresson.

Leica cameras, lenses, accessories and sales literature are collectibles. There are dozens of Leica books and collector’s guides, notably the three-volume Leica, an Illustrated History by James L. Lager. Early or rare cameras and accessories can reach very high prices on the market. Notably, Leica cameras sporting military markings carry very high premiums this started a market for refurbished Soviet copies with fake markings.

 

So now we have limited edition models like the 50AA and M-Monochrom that collectors will line up to buy.

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Jaap, you have my sympathies for what was a very public and mildly embarrassing bout of GAS:). I'm not a physician but I can predict with some confidence a repeat attack in exactly four-months time;). There is no cure of course but you might consider, as a preventative measure, not going anywhere near Cologne in September..........

 

(Seriously. You want one, it will make you feel good, so if you can afford it buy the MM asap. You can always trade in your M9 for an M10 and/or EVIL when the time comes).

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Jaap, you have my sympathies for what was a very public and mildly embarrassing bout of GAS:). I'm not a physician but I can predict with some confidence a repeat attack in exactly four-months time;). There is no cure of course but you might consider, as a preventative measure, not going anywhere near Cologne in September..........

 

(Seriously. You want one, it will make you feel good, so if you can afford it buy the MM asap. You can always trade in your M9 for an M10 and/or EVIL when the time comes).

An EVIL may come if our Japanese friends do not pip Leica at the post for a Leica R solution, -certainly not this year as far as I am concerned, but maybe next, From what I know about the upcoming ( hopefully for those that are waiting, end September for Photokina) M10 it will not provoke any desire to buy it on my part.

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You are so honest to admit that GAS has its role, so I honestly say that imho MM is intriguing mostly for one reason : it really is a CHALLENGE for an expert photographer, in the sense that forces you to try to be (become) a good BW photographer, which is neither easy nor (in my case) a sure achievement.

I have decided not to enter in such a costly risk of a personal disappointment, but if you (besides GAS) decide to accept the challenge, you have my sympathy and whishes.

 

Frankly I have also admired the great BW photographers... really is "Das Wesentliche" of photographic art : no doubt that MM is an excellent tool and probably the most desirable at the moment.

 

... and I think also that your DMR probably will live for a time still sufficient to replace it with the EVIL, so solving the issue of long teles... :cool:

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Thank you for your fair assessment, Luigi. :) Yes - it is indeed not just blind GAS but stretching yourself - like buying a good bike even if your name is not Hesjedal...

I am sure the M10 will be superb camera and attract many enhusiastic users but the M9 is more than plenty for my limited talent, and the M8 is still perfectly fine, it would add very little for me, certainly not the full 7500 Euro worth...

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I am taking more and more black and white photographs. Indeed, the vast majority of my film photogarphs have been black and white for some time now and a lot of the stuff I do with my D700 ends up that way too.

 

Maybe I should consider an MM to go with the MP. I could sell the car to pay for it :)

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Thank you for your fair assessment, Luigi. :) Yes - it is indeed not just blind GAS but stretching yourself - like buying a good bike even if your name is not Hesjedal...

I am sure the M10 will be superb camera and attract many enhusiastic users but the M9 is more than plenty for my limited talent, and the M8 is still perfectly fine, it would add very little for me, certainly not the full 7500 Euro worth...

 

Jaap, when you see what the M10 produces in the hands of the real expert; when they demonstrate to you some of the photos that it produces with qualities an M9 or Monochrom simply can't match,when they explain why this is now possible when it wasn't before, you will undoubtedly want one.

 

Of course if they can't demonstrate those things, it will be easier for all of us, not just you, to resist.

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Firstly I need to think that I can do it, not some expert wizard ;) No, I do not think so. The S2 does not appeal, a Hasselblad does not, a D800e does not, etc.

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Jaap, when you see what the M10 produces in the hands of the real expert; when they demonstrate to you some of the photos that it produces with qualities an M9 or Monochrom simply can't match,when they explain why this is now possible when it wasn't before, you will undoubtedly want one.

 

Of course if they can't demonstrate those things, it will be easier for all of us, not just you, to resist.

 

I stood on M8 on the assumption that "the one after M9" would have something really desirable... but in these days i start to think that it can bring with it lot of reasons to re$i$t... :o.... but I don't worry too much about, thinking that from 1979 to 2007 I did learn to photograph better and with satisyìfying (for me) results with 3 different Leicas - none of them bought new...;)

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Firstly I need to think that I can do it, not some expert wizard ;) No, I do not think so. The S2 does not appeal, a Hasselblad does not, a D800e does not, etc.

 

By expert I meant the sort of expert photographer who can justify a Monochrom!

 

Anyway, I see Jaap and an M10 being very happy together. I'll buy you an ice cream if I'm wrong.

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