mtomalty Posted May 26, 2012 Share #1 Â Posted May 26, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) If we assume,for a moment, that the next 'M' will incorporate a CMOS sensor instead of CCD I was wondering if the CMOS technology is subject to similar difficulties with respect to color cast (red/cyan corners,edges,etc) Â Thx, Mark Tomalty Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jaapv Posted May 26, 2012 Share #2 Â Posted May 26, 2012 Seeing that basically the acceptance angle of a CMos is more narrow than that of a CCD it might be more difficult: Â Â http://www.teledynedalsa.com/public/mv/appnotes/EvolutionofCMOS_Technology_wp.pdf Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruhayat Posted May 26, 2012 Share #3 Â Posted May 26, 2012 I recently played with a friend's Sigma DSLR and was impressed by the clarity of the colour particularly and overall image, which was very sharp - sharper than my Canon. If Leica used Foveon for their next cameras - maybe for a new mid-range compact M? - that would probably be a better idea than going Bayer CMOS. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted May 26, 2012 Share #4 Â Posted May 26, 2012 I'm afraid it would not; the Foveon has an even narrower acceptance angle. Unless somebody comes up with some brilliant innovation it can never work. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosuna Posted May 26, 2012 Share #5 Â Posted May 26, 2012 Backlight CMOS sensors place the circuity at the bottom, so the acceptance angle is wider. Â But this kind of CMOSes are made only in small sizes... for the moment... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted May 26, 2012 Share #6 Â Posted May 26, 2012 Still, the M10 will be CMos - probably micro lens wizardry. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtomalty Posted May 27, 2012 Author Share #7  Posted May 27, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) Thanks for the information  Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adli Posted May 27, 2012 Share #8 Â Posted May 27, 2012 Still, the M10 will be CMos - probably micro lens wizardry. Â How can you be so sure the M10 will be CMOS? Â After all, you missed out on the Monocrom Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rramesh Posted May 27, 2012 Share #9 Â Posted May 27, 2012 I still don't believe there will a marked difference in technology for the next M. There might not even be an M10. Â I think the next big announcement will be something in between an M and a X. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted May 27, 2012 Share #10  Posted May 27, 2012 How can you be so sure the M10 will be CMOS? After all, you missed out on the Monocrom Bread-eating prophet... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sp12 Posted May 27, 2012 Share #11 Â Posted May 27, 2012 CCDs are first generation imaging devices. The inventor of CCDs has come out and called CMOS the present. He's a bit out there and is on about quantum imaging devices. CCDs biggest advantage in the modern era is ease of manufacture for small volumes. Â CMOS requires optimization, while CCDs can be made in low volume profitably. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thetoness Posted May 27, 2012 Share #12 Â Posted May 27, 2012 Sorry for the newbie type question, but can someone please explain the difference between cmos and ccd and how it specifically would apply to a Leica M? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lars_bergquist Posted May 27, 2012 Share #13  Posted May 27, 2012 I still don't believe there will a marked difference in technology for the next M. There might not even be an M10. I think the next big announcement will be something in between an M and a X.  There will be a new M, though what it will be called is anyone's guess. But I suspect that the big news for the Photokina will be the new EVF system – a different line of cameras that can take both native AF lenses, and M lenses, with useable focus confirmation.  This last is the main thing that is holding the Fuji X-pro 1 back. But for Leica, this should be natural.  The old man from the Kodachrome Age Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrism Posted May 27, 2012 Share #14  Posted May 27, 2012 CCDs are first generation imaging devices. The inventor of CCDs has come out and called CMOS the present. He's a bit out there and is on about quantum imaging devices. CCDs biggest advantage in the modern era is ease of manufacture for small volumes. CMOS requires optimization, while CCDs can be made in low volume profitably.  On one occasion I asked Bill Boyle about CMOS sensors. He hadn't heard of them. But he soon distracted me by pulling his medal from a plastic carrier bag:  Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members!  I confess I was impressed.  Chris Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members!  I confess I was impressed.  Chris ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/180341-the-next-m-and-cmos/?do=findComment&comment=2024939'>More sharing options...
lct Posted May 27, 2012 Share #15  Posted May 27, 2012 According to Stefan Daniel, « Offering additional functions such as video and live view would extend the usability of the M camera significantly. CMOS is a prerequisite for it, therefore it will be the technology of the future ». Exclusive: Leica Interview – October 2011 • MegaPixel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted May 28, 2012 Share #16  Posted May 28, 2012 How can you be so sure the M10 will be CMOS? After all, you missed out on the Monocrom  The sensor will be CMOS and the sensor will be European. I know. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adli Posted May 28, 2012 Share #17 Â Posted May 28, 2012 I don't doubt that the next sensor will be CMOS. Â I just found it amusing that it was possible deny the arrival of the Monocrom only few weeks before it arrived, and at the same time predict with certainty what will arrive in half a year Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosuna Posted May 28, 2012 Share #18 Â Posted May 28, 2012 The sensor will be CMOS and the sensor will be European. I know. Â A French manufacturing company maybe? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyedward Posted May 28, 2012 Share #19 Â Posted May 28, 2012 A French manufacturing company maybe? Â STMicroelectronics ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted May 28, 2012 Share #20 Â Posted May 28, 2012 I predict no CMOS in the next M body. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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