ALD Posted May 16, 2012 Share #1 Â Posted May 16, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) Looking at the lack of a flash hot shoe on the M9-T and , Hermes M9-H is there any validity in saying that in the conditions that a flash on a M camera would even work, do the new generation sensors such as is expected on the upcoming m10 even require a flash considering high ISO capability? At really low light you can't even really focus with rangefinder properly anyway? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted May 16, 2012 Posted May 16, 2012 Hi ALD, Take a look here M10 sensor high iso. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
rramesh Posted May 16, 2012 Share #2 Â Posted May 16, 2012 I'm inclined to think that Leica does not want us to use a flash. Their intention is to get you to buy a Noctilux or Summilux. Hence very little investment in flash development. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted May 16, 2012 Share #3 Â Posted May 16, 2012 I think you're confusing the M9Titanium and the Hermes M9H with cameras. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
philipus Posted May 16, 2012 Share #4 Â Posted May 16, 2012 At really low light you can't even really focus with rangefinder properly anyway? Â I'm able to focus my Leica II in situations where my 5D2 would struggle. Same with my M. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adli Posted May 16, 2012 Share #5 Â Posted May 16, 2012 Who said the M9-T is without hot shoe? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted May 16, 2012 Share #6 Â Posted May 16, 2012 Some limited editions don't have hot shoes. But limited editions are eye candy. Â It's not going to happen to the main model unless it has some sort of wireless flash trigger built in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted May 16, 2012 Share #7 Â Posted May 16, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) Looking at the lack of a flash hot shoe on the M9-T and , Hermes M9-H is there any validity in saying that in the conditions that a flash on a M camera would even work, do the new generation sensors such as is expected on the upcoming m10 even require a flash considering high ISO capability? At really low light you can't even really focus with rangefinder properly anyway? A flash,imo is not primarily for low light. Flash in the dark only produces scared rabbit shots, unless one gets more sophisticated with soft boxes. reflectors, bounce etc.My main use is contrast control through fill flash. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250swb Posted May 16, 2012 Share #8 Â Posted May 16, 2012 I can think of many reasons why there should be a hot shoe on a camera even if the high ISO capability is fantastic. It is a very narrow and one-dimensional view of photography if you think photographers wouldn't want to add light to a scene with a flash gun or with studio lighting. Let's not get carried away with the idea of high ISO, 6400 ISO still produces inferior image quality compared to 160 ISO on any camera. Â Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALD Posted May 16, 2012 Author Share #9 Â Posted May 16, 2012 Could you please stop pumping out meaningless and now also repetitive threads? Â I apologize for the repeat that was a mistake due to small iPhone screen and iOS issues. Â I don't think that others regard this as meaningless please consider that the hotshot has been eliminated by da silva and the new body on m9 special editions looks really great I just wonder if the flash can't be fired off wirelessly from an upcoming m10. Â Â But thanks for being so rude I gives me some insight Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Roberts Posted May 16, 2012 Share #10 Â Posted May 16, 2012 Looking at the lack of a flash hot shoe on the M9-T and , Hermes M9-H is there any validity in saying that in the conditions that a flash on a M camera would even work, do the new generation sensors such as is expected on the upcoming m10 even require a flash considering high ISO capability? At really low light you can't even really focus with rangefinder properly anyway? Â Like many people, you are confusing the amount of light with quality of light. Â I can sometimes shoot in the ambient at ISO 640 but if there's no high quality light, the images will be awful. Â You use flash, or an auxiliary light, to increase the light quality (as well as its quantity). That way, even in a dark or candlelit room, you don't get "scared rabbit" shots of people, as Jaap says. Â A new model M without a hotshoe is ridiculous; I want them to put back the PC synch flash connection as well Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
farnz Posted May 16, 2012 Share #11 Â Posted May 16, 2012 Wouldn't your external viewfinder keep toppling off the top of your camera? Â Â Â Â Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250swb Posted May 16, 2012 Share #12  Posted May 16, 2012  I don't think that others regard this as meaningless please consider that the hotshot has been eliminated by da silva and the new body on m9 special editions  They are design exercises aimed at collectors, not people who need to use those cameras for everyday photography.  And I'm sure a flashgun could be fired wirelessly from an M10, you have one hand to hold the camera, one hand to focus and change the aperture, then with your other hand you can hold the flash, it all makes sense now.  Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eleskin Posted May 17, 2012 Share #13 Â Posted May 17, 2012 i would NEVER buy this for the insane price, but come on, NO FLASH? NO HOT SHOE? I use my M8 with studio strobes at times. I am sure some of you do the same with the M9. This Hermes makes me laugh! Who would buy this thing? Why limit your M lenses to non studio use? The suckers that buy this camera can have it! Give me photographic tools!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eleskin Posted May 17, 2012 Share #14 Â Posted May 17, 2012 If the M10 will not have a hot shoe, that would be really nuts! Come on Leica!!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdriceman Posted May 17, 2012 Share #15 Â Posted May 17, 2012 If the M10 will not have a hot shoe, that would be really nuts! Come on Leica!!!! Â I don't think anyone seriously believes Leica will issue the M10 without a hot shoe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eleskin Posted May 17, 2012 Share #16 Â Posted May 17, 2012 Portrait taken with M8 and 50mm Summicron with strobes! Man is an ex steelworker and pro boxer! So there Hermes!!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eleskin Posted May 17, 2012 Share #17 Â Posted May 17, 2012 Thought I would add this for the hell of it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eleskin Posted May 17, 2012 Share #18 Â Posted May 17, 2012 I guess I over reacted. I am sure there will be a hot shoe! Â I just think it is funny many think an M is not for the studio! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdriceman Posted May 17, 2012 Share #19 Â Posted May 17, 2012 I guess I over reacted. I am sure there will be a hot shoe! Â I just think it is funny many think an M is not for the studio! Â I know what you mean. I use flash with mine all the time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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