MUYG Posted April 8, 2012 Share #1 Posted April 8, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hi friends, I really need your help. I am trying to fix a user setting with my M8... I don't like sharpen, high contrast and saturation and make them in PS... When I choose only DNG in menu: saturation, contrast and sharpen comes 'standart' position and become can't adjustable... When I choose DNG+jpg or others except only DNG, camera can save my settings as 'off sharpen, off stauration, off contrast' or how I desire... But when I DNG at 'set', this tree setting becoming their standart positions. Do you know how can I fix my user setting as 'DNG' in set and '' off sat, off sharp and off cont '' Thanks a lot !! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted April 8, 2012 Posted April 8, 2012 Hi MUYG, Take a look here M8 user setting. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
jaapv Posted April 8, 2012 Share #2 Posted April 8, 2012 DNG does not have saturation, sharpening contrast etc. So there is no way to preset them in the camera. You cannot switch off something that does not exist. The settings are JPG only, so to accesss them you must set the camera to JPG. Or DNG plus JPG but then the DNG output will not be affected by the setting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUYG Posted April 8, 2012 Author Share #3 Posted April 8, 2012 Thank you for your answer Jaap, but I feel too much sharpen in the images. Am I doing something wrong here ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted April 8, 2012 Share #4 Posted April 8, 2012 Have you been getting the same feeling at full aperture? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUYG Posted April 8, 2012 Author Share #5 Posted April 8, 2012 Right now I use 35mm 2 Biogon, at f2 or f5.6 it is same... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted April 8, 2012 Share #6 Posted April 8, 2012 The Biogon is rather soft at f/2 in the corners. What are you seeing there? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUYG Posted April 8, 2012 Author Share #7 Posted April 8, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) I feel that something like the difference between nikon d100 and d200's images. you know d100 was pretty sharp camera and grains was visible than the advanced ones, d200 came and images become softer and relatively more editable and flexible... I feel sometimes looking to a (advenced) d100 image. But this sharpness feels like not coming from a good sensor... I don't know sometimes it is ok, some times sharpness look like artificial, look like added a sharpen filter in ps... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted April 9, 2012 Share #8 Posted April 9, 2012 You are probably seeing that the M 8 is a camera without AA filter, that has a far higher native sharpness than your Nikon D200 which is rather soft in comparison. If you are still following your Nikon workflow you are oversharpening. Check and change the default settings of your raw converter, There is an article on sharpening in the FAQ on the M9 forum. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted April 9, 2012 Share #9 Posted April 9, 2012 D100 and D70 cameras had a weak AA filter then whereas the M8 has no AA filter at all. Perhaps it comes from that but i would guess that the default settings of your raw converter are the culprit as well. Which raw converter have you been using? Edit: You beat me to it Jaap. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUYG Posted April 9, 2012 Author Share #10 Posted April 9, 2012 You are probably seeing that the M 8 is a camera without AA filter, that has a far higher native sharpness than your Nikons, which are rather soft in comparison. If you are still following your Nikon workflow you are oversharpening. Check and change the default settings of your raw converter, There is an article on sharpening in the FAQ on the M9 forum. Yes, maybe because of the difference of the characteristics of the different cameras. I never add sharpen to my photos before, so there is no workflow, just I think I get used to see more M camera images maybe thanks friends. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUYG Posted April 9, 2012 Author Share #11 Posted April 9, 2012 D100 and D70 cameras had a weak AA filter then whereas the M8 has no AA filter at all. Perhaps it comes from that but i would guess that the default settings of your raw converter are the culprit as well. Which raw converter have you been using?Edit: You beat me to it Jaap. PS 6.0 --- M8 and Ms are new for me, probably because of this I see something strange. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted April 9, 2012 Share #12 Posted April 9, 2012 I have no experience with P6 S but if it works like mine (CS 3), i would disable sharpening in the ACR's presets. Not sure if it will make a big change though. You are more probably a victim of the softening effect of AA filters. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted April 9, 2012 Share #13 Posted April 9, 2012 Yes, maybe because of the difference of the characteristics of the different cameras. I never add sharpen to my photos before, so there is no workflow, just I think I get used to see more M camera images maybe thanks friends. Where did you not add sharpening? Raw conversion, along the way or for output?. You really must check the defaults in your workflow. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUYG Posted April 9, 2012 Author Share #14 Posted April 9, 2012 Where did you not add sharpening? Raw conversion, along the way or for output?. You really must check the defaults in your workflow. I found Jaap, you are right. When I open M8 DNG file in PS, in RAW converter 'detail' is using automatically high amount and radius of sharpen. This is not from my D700 but I reduce it and saved, almost at zero now... Now images have more natural sharpen (native) amount. Thanks a lot ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IWC Doppel Posted April 10, 2012 Share #15 Posted April 10, 2012 Don't forget some RAW files from other cameras already have sharpening applied. Do experiment with LR settings if you have LR, and camera settings. I have been really enjoying setting ISO to 1250 ( grainy ) stopping down to f8 in the sun and shooting from the hip with some great results, if you desaturate the images can look wonderfully retro Moving from other cameras to the Leica you apprcate it offers you the opportunity to 'develop' the picture and seems to have so much more bandwidth for creativity. I went on a LR course with Leica in Mayfair and Brett encapsulated the Leica image that comes off the sensor as a digital unprocessed slide film negative. Try not too overexpose as well, I drop my EV by -1/3 which is not uncommon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted April 10, 2012 Share #16 Posted April 10, 2012 I'm not sure I'm happy with the advice to drop exposure by a blanket 1/3rd. It may be correct for certain subjects in certain lighting situations, but exposure really depends on the subject. If you have bright lights in the subject that influence the metering unduly you need to increase the exposure, sometimes considerably, if the subject has a narrow contrast range it is often useful to expose to the right, especially at high ISO, however if the subject matter is in the highlight range you may need to decrease the exposure to prevent blowing important highlights. Imo the exposure compensation feature is the most abused setting on any camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted April 10, 2012 Share #17 Posted April 10, 2012 +1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IWC Doppel Posted April 10, 2012 Share #18 Posted April 10, 2012 Admittedly I don't drop by 1/3 at low light, but I may be less accurate and take less time to compose than some, however I did end up with too many marginally overexposed in daylight. I'd prefer to be occasionally underexposed, but that's perhaps more of a style preference in some ways. I did say what I do, not what the OP should do to be fair. I noticed recently that Thorsten O does the same on the M9 which I had understood was a little 'lower' on exposure as a base. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted April 11, 2012 Share #19 Posted April 11, 2012 Imo the exposure compensation feature is the most abused setting on any camera. Yep. I never use it; would only confuse me and lead to errors, especially if I forgot it was set. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WPalank Posted April 11, 2012 Share #20 Posted April 11, 2012 Yep. I never use it; would only confuse me and lead to errors, especially if I forgot it was set. Jeff I always forget when i set it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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