stunsworth Posted March 22, 2012 Share #41 Posted March 22, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) Handled and sold a quite a few, but much preferred the M5. It still sounds like you were handling your knob incorrectly. Technique is everything in these matters. Since there are far fewer MR4 meters for sale than M2/3/4s I can only think that most people managed to twiddle their knobs without any strap on equipment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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bill Posted March 22, 2012 Share #42 Posted March 22, 2012 I'm 6'3" with large hands. I have no problem manipulating my knob. It is, as Steve says, a matter of technique, and of course intimate familiarity with your equipment. I favour a rolling action with the side of my index finger - entirely practical with bare hands or when wearing supple leather gloves. If you are clumsy you may find this hard. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted March 22, 2012 Share #43 Posted March 22, 2012 Gee whiz, we just roll the shutter speed with the index finger. I have large hands (xl gloves), but I choose the kind with a friction finger pad. It works with gloves. We've been doing this forever. Leica never designed it to require the clip-in meter in order to move the speed dial. If Leica had believed the speed dial was too small, I'd bet they, or someone would offer a replacement dial that extends it vertically - or possibly a device that slips into the flash shoe, incorporates the big wheel like the light meter - but without the rest of the bulk of the meter. I've never seen such a thing. Does anyone think it might be a viable product? (Thumbs-up, Thumbie, Leica Goodies - are you reading this?) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nobbylon Posted March 22, 2012 Share #44 Posted March 22, 2012 Gee whiz, we just roll the shutter speed with the index finger. I have large hands (xl gloves), but I choose the kind with a friction finger pad. It works with gloves. We've been doing this forever. Leica never designed it to require the clip-in meter in order to move the speed dial. If Leica had believed the speed dial was too small, I'd bet they, or someone would offer a replacement dial that extends it vertically - or possibly a device that slips into the flash shoe, incorporates the big wheel like the light meter - but without the rest of the bulk of the meter. I've never seen such a thing. Does anyone think it might be a viable product? (Thumbs-up, Thumbie, Leica Goodies - are you reading this?) It's already been done Pico. Cold weather shutter speed dial which has a kind of lever on the top of it. I've seen a photo and will try and find it again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ornello Posted March 22, 2012 Share #45 Posted March 22, 2012 Gee whiz, we just roll the shutter speed with the index finger. I have large hands (xl gloves), but I choose the kind with a friction finger pad. It works with gloves. We've been doing this forever. Leica never designed it to require the clip-in meter in order to move the speed dial. If Leica had believed the speed dial was too small, I'd bet they, or someone would offer a replacement dial that extends it vertically - or possibly a device that slips into the flash shoe, incorporates the big wheel like the light meter - but without the rest of the bulk of the meter. I've never seen such a thing. Does anyone think it might be a viable product? (Thumbs-up, Thumbie, Leica Goodies - are you reading this?) Well you do know that they did enlarge it not once, but twice. Once for the M5 and again for the later M6 models. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted March 22, 2012 Share #46 Posted March 22, 2012 The M5 had an "internal" speed dial, did it not? Completely different from any M before or after. And the model which nearly bankrupt Leica. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ornello Posted March 22, 2012 Share #47 Posted March 22, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) The M5 had an "internal" speed dial, did it not? Completely different from any M before or after. And the model which nearly bankrupt Leica. No, it had a large speed dial on the top. There was also, I believe, an indicator in the viewfinder. Yes, as seen here in this photo from the internet: http://photo.net/equipment/leica/m5/M5-35-135-web.jpg The point is that the large dial was easier to grip. It has nothing to do with something in the viewfinder. I have no idea why it did not sell better. It was in my opinion vastly under-rated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted March 22, 2012 Share #48 Posted March 22, 2012 It didn't sell better because it was too big, too ugly and wasn't a traditional M. The M6 later sold in huge numbers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ornello Posted March 22, 2012 Share #49 Posted March 22, 2012 It didn't sell better because it was too big, too ugly and wasn't a traditional M. The M6 later sold in huge numbers. I think it was perfect in size, and beautiful. Traditional? eh...who's to say? The large shutter speed dial was a vast improvement in my opinion. I almost bought one, but bought another SL2 instead. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted March 22, 2012 Share #50 Posted March 22, 2012 Michael, that photo is from photo.net. As mentioned earlier it isn't acceptable to publish uncredited photographs. Here's the page you lifted it from... http://photo.net/equipment/leica/m5/ You'll notice the copyright detail at the bottom of the text. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted March 22, 2012 Share #51 Posted March 22, 2012 Michael only posted a link, not the photo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted March 22, 2012 Share #52 Posted March 22, 2012 It appeared inline in Tappatalk. Even with a Jpeg he should have indicated who owned the copyright - or linked to the original web page Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted March 22, 2012 Share #53 Posted March 22, 2012 It still sounds like you were handling your knob incorrectly. Technique is everything in these matters. Since there are far fewer MR4 meters for sale than M2/3/4s I can only think that most people managed to twiddle their knobs without any strap on equipment. LOL Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted March 22, 2012 Share #54 Posted March 22, 2012 Does anyone else have trouble locating their knob in extremely cold weather? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill Posted March 22, 2012 Share #55 Posted March 22, 2012 Everything is relative. Regards, Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CalArts 99 Posted March 22, 2012 Share #56 Posted March 22, 2012 You're not playing with your knob correctly. I can only think that most people managed to twiddle their knobs without any strap on equipment. Does anyone else have trouble locating their knob in extremely cold weather? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamcoad Posted March 23, 2012 Share #57 Posted March 23, 2012 How a simple chat about classic Leicas spirals downward to knob jokes. I'm just as bad, as it made me grin. You guys are lucky, spoilt or something, it took me till age 56 to justify just one Leica, and it's an M3 with 2.8 Elmar and working Leicameter MC. Magic! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gyoung Posted March 23, 2012 Share #58 Posted March 23, 2012 And, dare I day it, long years of using MC and MR meters on my M3 I found it made it easier to change the shutter speed :-) Gerry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted March 23, 2012 Share #59 Posted March 23, 2012 How a simple chat about classic Leicas spirals downward to knob jokes. I'm just as bad, as it made me grin.You guys are lucky, spoilt or something, it took me till age 56 to justify just one Leica, and it's an M3 with 2.8 Elmar and working Leicameter MC. Magic! Well there's little you can't do with that kit! Welcome to the madhouse! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruhayat Posted April 1, 2012 Share #60 Posted April 1, 2012 I'd love to have an M4-P. It just feels somehow lighter and smaller than my M6TTL. Then again, as a graphic designer, I can readily appreciate the M5. Its design and ergonomics are better than the regular M's. The jutting, larger shutter dial, in particular (though, for even more enhanced ergonomics, jutting it to the back so that you work it with your thumb would make turning the dial a lot easier, as in side to side movements a thumb tends to be more flexible than a finger). I also love the M5's vertical hanging strap lugs... I think Leica should have these on their proposed new compact digital line. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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