sfage Posted March 1, 2012 Share #61  Posted March 1, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) I hear the motherboard is fried.  How about this shot? Can you see the moiré in this one? This one is nasty upon both of my monitors. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/172847-leica-lens-on-non-leica-digital-body-why/?do=findComment&comment=1942006'>More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted March 1, 2012 Share #62  Posted March 1, 2012 I have a question. I am shooting a 5d2 with an Elmarit 60 macro. In this image, are you seeing the moiré that I am seeing? I have a secondary "movie watching" samsung monitor that doesn't show the moiré... but the apple monitor sure does.  Second question: I am using a fotodiox chipped adapter. I just put it on yesterday and while reviewing some images, an Error 70 message came up and now the screen on the camera is fried. Would the chipped adapter do this?  Interesting. I have two calibrated displays.  On 2009, 17" PowerBook Pro I see quite a bit of moiré. On 8 year old 30" Apple Cinema Display basically moiré free. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted March 1, 2012 Share #63  Posted March 1, 2012 I hear the motherboard is fried. How about this shot? Can you see the moiré in this one? This one is nasty upon both of my monitors.   I find the same. Stronger moiré on the wall though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gyoung Posted March 1, 2012 Share #64 Â Posted March 1, 2012 Might have to do with screen res?, newer monitors are higher res? Does the moire print?, though that introduces a whole new set of variables! Â Gerry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Roberts Posted March 1, 2012 Share #65  Posted March 1, 2012 I have a question. I am shooting a 5d2 with an Elmarit 60 macro. In this image, are you seeing the moiré that I am seeing? I have a secondary "movie watching" samsung monitor that doesn't show the moiré... but the apple monitor sure does.  Second question: I am using a fotodiox chipped adapter. I just put it on yesterday and while reviewing some images, an Error 70 message came up and now the screen on the camera is fried. Would the chipped adapter do this?  No moire on either image on my NEC PA or EIZO monitor. Do you see moire at 100% magnification?  Apart from the error (which I'm pretty sure also doesn't have anything to do with the adapter), how do you like the fotodiox adapter and which one are you using? The pro version or something else? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted March 1, 2012 Share #66  Posted March 1, 2012 ...Can you see the moiré in this one?... Yes on both 23" Apple monitor and 15" iBook Air. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfage Posted March 1, 2012 Share #67 Â Posted March 1, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) Wow... didn't this conversation just get funky? Â So, is this elmarit macro out-resolving the 5d's sensor? Â Fotodiox adapter holds the lens to the body well. The focus confirmation is iffy at the best of times. VERY hit and miss.... and yes it's the pro version. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted March 1, 2012 Share #68 Â Posted March 1, 2012 I prefer a good split image screen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jankap Posted March 1, 2012 Share #69 Â Posted March 1, 2012 This discussion is not correct. In the picture examples the regular pattern fails. One becomes moire when a pattern of the "right" size interferes with the sensor pattern. And - of course - a sharp lens. Jan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted March 1, 2012 Share #70  Posted March 1, 2012 How do you call this then? Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/172847-leica-lens-on-non-leica-digital-body-why/?do=findComment&comment=1942179'>More sharing options...
Ruhayat Posted March 3, 2012 Share #71 Â Posted March 3, 2012 Using an LG IPS screen calibrated with EyeOne Match. No moire that I can detect on the first image, but very distinct on the second. Hm. I wonder what this actually says. Is it about the sensor-lens combination or simply LCD display quality? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jankap Posted March 3, 2012 Share #72  Posted March 3, 2012 How do you call this then?  I have seen that too (in the meantime). What caused this moiré? I don't expect, that there is a structured surface in the original scene (the mannequin). I have revolved the picture slightly using Photoshop. The moiré stayed. My theory was, that the regular bayer pattern of the sensor interfered with that of the monitor. Depending on the enlargement of the monitor picture. That would be comparable with the moiré, that could occur in the past by digital printing. But there is no moiré outside the body. Jan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted March 3, 2012 Share #73 Â Posted March 3, 2012 ...I don't expect, that there is a structured surface in the original scene (the mannequin)... Take a look at the pic above. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Roberts Posted March 3, 2012 Share #74 Â Posted March 3, 2012 How do you call this then? Â Um, a zoomed picture from a web JPEG? Can't tell about moire from that. Where's the original file? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jankap Posted March 3, 2012 Share #75  Posted March 3, 2012 No, ict is right. Only the body shows moiré, not the wall. The other manufacturers weren't too wrong using an AA-filter. Jan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted March 3, 2012 Share #76 Â Posted March 3, 2012 According to Sfage it's a Canon pic thus with AA filter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Roberts Posted March 5, 2012 Share #77 Â Posted March 5, 2012 According to Sfage it's a Canon pic thus with AA filter. Â yeah, but did you enlarge the already re-sized post? You can't tell anything about that. Â Not that Canons with an AA filter don't show moire. They do. So do Nikons, Fujis and everyone else's digital cameras (I have the bridesmaid's dress shots to prove it). And in all systems I've found it more or less rare--whether it's on an M8/DMR/M9/S2 (all AA-less) or a 1d2, 5d, 1ds2 or D3 (all with AA filtering). Â But moire also shows up as a non-printable artefact when zooming into complex patterns on LCD screens or as the result of certain JPEG outputs (in which case they print fine ) Both are different from moire happening at the camera level... and that's why I asked to see the original file, if it was available. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted March 5, 2012 Share #78 Â Posted March 5, 2012 Why don't you ask it then? I mean to Sfage not to me... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted March 5, 2012 Share #79 Â Posted March 5, 2012 My English is poor and poor ... Another try: Why don't you ask for it then? I mean Sfage not me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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