Double Negative Posted February 13, 2012 Share #1 Â Posted February 13, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) Seems that a new sensor recently posted online by Dalsa might be an interesting candidate for Leica's upcoming "M10" camera... What do you think? Â "New 24MP Sensor for Leica M10 Found?" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted February 13, 2012 Posted February 13, 2012 Hi Double Negative, Take a look here New 24MP Sensor for Leica M10 Found?. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
andybarton Posted February 13, 2012 Share #2 Â Posted February 13, 2012 Sounds like you are just fuelling the rumour mill to drive traffic to your blog. Â And you seem to have missed the fact that Kodak have already sold their sensor business. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double Negative Posted February 13, 2012 Author Share #3 Â Posted February 13, 2012 Well, yes - we have expanded the coverage to include rumors. We don't need the traffic though - it doesn't make any difference either way. Â Kodak selling their digital business is all the more reason that Leica might consider alternatives. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted February 13, 2012 Share #4 Â Posted February 13, 2012 Oh good. A sensor less than 1% greater in practice - whatever. I will pass. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double Negative Posted February 14, 2012 Author Share #5 Â Posted February 14, 2012 If not the M10, perhaps a good sensor for others to use. I'd have to agree though - for the M10 I'd certainly hope for higher specs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jneilt Posted February 14, 2012 Share #6 Â Posted February 14, 2012 Will it crack? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IWC Doppel Posted February 14, 2012 Share #7 Â Posted February 14, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) At a guess I would say no, they are highly unlikely to no have worked in the development of any alternative (if they need to) from Kodak and the fall out following it's financial collapse. Â My concern, if I had one regarding the Kodak fall out would be the unwinding of any IP agreements in time for launch. The sensor will be ready by now me thinks for any Photokina M10 Â Anyhow I am hoping to buy a 9 this year so I would rather put my hands over my ears and hummm regarding the 10 ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayewing Posted February 14, 2012 Share #8 Â Posted February 14, 2012 I sympathise. Having bought my M9 less than a year ago, and still on a learning curve, I have no desire to have temptation placed in my way. My last Leica lasted 30years and was still in good condition when I sold it though I suspect that digitals will not enjoy such longevity. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IWC Doppel Posted February 14, 2012 Share #9  Posted February 14, 2012 Looking at prices for M8's (and 9's) seems that a clean M8/8.2 is about 50% of the new price. Something that is circa 4-5 years old in terms of 'technology' plus not full frame and in need of UV/IR's suggets to me that the M9's will be £2.5k and M9-P's perhaps £3k by close of 2013.  This will depend on the price point and advancement of the 10. I don't think the 'pull' of the 10 wil be near that of the 9 over the 8.  If it's a step but not paces better and provides a few nice advancements in term of viewfinder flexibility etc and say £6.5k-7k I suspect a lot will keep their 9 and perhaps the depreciation of the 9 will not be as great.  If it paces forward and priced at £4k then we are all in for some heavy depreciation ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StephenPatterson Posted February 14, 2012 Share #10 Â Posted February 14, 2012 Of course if the M10 is a flop then the used prices for M9s and M9-Ps might actually increase. Companies often stumble when trying to make too many improvements or incorporate new technologies. BMW with their iDrive on the 7-Series, New Coke, Leica's M5; it is not unusual for companies to overreach and not understand what their customers are looking for in a product. Sales of M4s (in all their variations) increased substantially after the introduction of the M5. Â If the M10 is some monstrosity that tries to marry a rangefinder with a kludgy add on EVF or other such nonsense then I see the demand for M9s remaining strong for some time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double Negative Posted February 14, 2012 Author Share #11 Â Posted February 14, 2012 ^ Agreed, Stephen. Â Personally, I'm happy with the M9. It does what I need/want. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted February 14, 2012 Share #12  Posted February 14, 2012 At a guess I would say no, they are highly unlikely to no have worked in the development of any alternative (if they need to) from Kodak and the fall out following it's financial collapse. My concern, if I had one regarding the Kodak fall out would be the unwinding of any IP agreements in time for launch. The sensor will be ready by now me thinks for any Photokina M10  Anyhow I am hoping to buy a 9 this year so I would rather put my hands over my ears and hummm regarding the 10 ! I know for a fact that Leica already had contingency plans for a possible collapse of Kodak as far back as 2008. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted February 14, 2012 Share #13  Posted February 14, 2012 At a guess I would say no, they are highly unlikely to no have worked in the development of any alternative (if they need to) from Kodak and the fall out following it's financial collapse. Kodak has been out of the equation for some time now, i.e. even prior to their filing for Chapter 11. Leica’s source for sensors for the M9 and S2 is Truesense Imaging, not Kodak. Whether a sensor developed by Truesense has ever been an option for the M10 would depend on Leica’s decision between CCD and CMOS. If they have decided to go CMOS, neither any of Truesense offerings (which are CCDs exclusively) nor the above mentioned Dalsa sensor would qualify. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted February 14, 2012 Share #14  Posted February 14, 2012 Kodak has been out of the equation for some time now, i.e. even prior to their filing for Chapter 11. Leica’s source for sensors for the M9 and S2 is Truesense Imaging, not Kodak. Whether a sensor developed by Truesense has ever been an option for the M10 would depend on Leica’s decision between CCD and CMOS. If they have decided to go CMOS, neither any of Truesense offerings (which are CCDs exclusively) nor the above mentioned Dalsa sensor would qualify.  TrueSense Imaging has always been the name of the sensor division even when Kodak owned it. That company is now like it always has been with no interruption and continues on. And they are not exclusively CCD manufacturers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdai Posted February 14, 2012 Share #15 Â Posted February 14, 2012 If there is indeed a M10 under development, Leica will most likely consolidate their technologies in order to remain cost effective. My money is on a CMOS which will certainly be used in their forthcomin' EVIL camera. Â Unlike their analog siblings, the lifespan of digital cameras would be very limited when support valishes due to rapid technology advancement. The residue value of M9 should only go south. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted February 14, 2012 Share #16 Â Posted February 14, 2012 Btw, a quick look at the tech specs makes me think that the Dalsa item is not exactly a good fit for a typical camera (I can be wrong, but the frame per second rate seems in the 1-2 range). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ockie50 Posted February 14, 2012 Share #17 Â Posted February 14, 2012 Just for the record - there will NEVER be a M10. Reason is numbers... Leica has come "full circle" now with the M1 to M9. IMHO there will be models of M9, such as M9-P, M9-2, M9-3 - ,much like the Canon EOS-1, with possible ungraded sensors, screen etc. but the basic "brass tank" will remain and the outer design will not change. It just would not look right to have M12s, M15s etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double Negative Posted February 14, 2012 Author Share #18 Â Posted February 14, 2012 Btw, a quick look at the tech specs makes me think that the Dalsa item is not exactly a good fit for a typical camera (I can be wrong, but the frame per second rate seems in the 1-2 range). Â I caught that too - but if you read the "Description" part, it mentions using all four outputs for 3.5fps which is more inline with what we're used to. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted February 14, 2012 Share #19  Posted February 14, 2012 If there is indeed a M10 under development, Leica will most likely consolidate their technologies in order to remain cost effective. My money is on a CMOS which will certainly be used in their forthcomin' EVIL camera. Unlike their analog siblings, the lifespan of digital cameras would be very limited when support valishes due to rapid technology advancement. The residue value of M9 should only go south.  If there is a Leica branded EVIL/CMOS camera, it won't be made by Leica. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted February 14, 2012 Share #20 Â Posted February 14, 2012 Why not? The X1 is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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