wlaidlaw Posted December 28, 2011 Share #1 Posted December 28, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) If wonder if it might be courteous or helpful for Mods to explain to OP why their threads removed or modified, as and when the mods feel it is necessary to do so. In an effort to be helpful to any forum member seeking an economical M fit body, I posted yesterday that a dealer in France was selling a Konica Hexar RF body at a pretty low price. Now I personally don't need any more M bodies, film or digital but I am sure there are folks on the forum who might. I have no connection with the dealer or the sale. It appears that the thread has been deleted or moved. I feel that a quick email from the moderator who did so, would have been appreciated by me, explaining why they felt this thread was inappropriate, not least so I can avoid the same error in future, whilst trying to be helpful to other forum users. Just deleting it, is not I feel, in the spirit of the way this forum operates. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted December 28, 2011 Posted December 28, 2011 Hi wlaidlaw, Take a look here Would it be courteous for Mods to explain to OP why threads removed or modified. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
Peter H Posted December 29, 2011 Share #2 Posted December 29, 2011 This seems like a very sensible suggestion to me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted December 29, 2011 Share #3 Posted December 29, 2011 I have no idea who removed your post as it happened to be moderated instead of deleted. The latter will reveal the name of the mod, the former unfortunately not. However, in my experience all moderators are quite open about their decisions. I found your post a tough call, basically an advert for a non-sposoring dealer but by a respected member who has no commercial interest. So I decided to let it ride. Clearly another mod came to a different conclusion, which I can only concur with, it being a close decision. Personally I make it a habit to PM an " offender" to explain my actions, but it is a lot of extra work and time pressure may cause me to forego that PM. It is, after all, a volunteer job that has to be slotted in between all the real daily routine. Other modertors find themselves in the same position from time to time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted December 29, 2011 Share #4 Posted December 29, 2011 Wilson, couldn't agree more. The camera was at a very good price and was from a reputable dealer. If this means that all references to stock held by Leica dealers is to be deleted I see that as a bad thing. Someone asking "Does anyone know where camera/lens XYZ may be in stock" would presumably be either met with (moderated) silence, or a response that indicates that someone knows where such equipment can be found, but they are unable to say where. If I were a mod - which I am not - I would always drop a message to someone explaining why their message was deleted - unless it was obvious spam. That would be a common courtesy IMHO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your Old Dog Posted December 29, 2011 Share #5 Posted December 29, 2011 Maybe the moderator just pulled the trigger too quickly without benefit of thinking it through, maybe not? I'd give him the benefit of the doubt first. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted December 29, 2011 Share #6 Posted December 29, 2011 Wilson, I also posted info in the past about a sought after item i just happened to see in a local dealers, and my thread was deleted. Annoying because there were numerous threads at the time from members trying to find the item, and a complete lack of consistency on the part of the Mod who deleted my thread, because there were/have been lots of other threads giving info on where to find particular items. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted December 29, 2011 Share #7 Posted December 29, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) I was the Mod who moderated that thread and I apologise for not having the time at that time to advise Wilson why. It seemed to me to be a vicarious advert for the camera albeit with the best of intentions. Other similar threads are usually similarly moderated. Two things: 1. We have sponsoring dealers who provide a substantial part of the running costs of this forum. Such posts undermine their investment and support. 2. We could easily have thousands of posts with "My dealer is selling camera xxxx". So. Apologies to Wilson, but there was a reason. And yes, Mods are human. Well, this one is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted December 29, 2011 Share #8 Posted December 29, 2011 Andy makes a good point about sponsoring dealers, and not clogging the forum with for sale alerts, but, I think alerts about a scarce item are surely just helpful, to other members and Leica. When I made my post there were several threads from upset members not able to find said item. In future I won't bother - someone will find it eventually! As for sponsoring dealers, I don't know how much effort has been put into 'signing up' other dealers, but I know my local dealer didn't know about the forum until I mentioned it. We shouldn't assume that the dealers know we're here! I'm thinking in terms of additional opportunities out there for Andreas. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gyoung Posted December 29, 2011 Share #9 Posted December 29, 2011 I think I agree with 'earlygallery', its ok protecting sponsoring dealers, but we also have sponsoring members who bypass the ads, and also eBay lists, so why not info about interesting buying opportunitys, that's a service to members. If necessary there could be a sales ops section, disinterested parties only of course. And, IMHO, as a matter of courtesy any move of a post or especially removal should be accompanied by a pm or a note in the thread. Gerry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted December 29, 2011 Share #10 Posted December 29, 2011 I think I agree with 'earlygallery', its ok protecting sponsoring dealers, but we also have sponsoring members who bypass the ads, Gerry Not on my watch! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted December 29, 2011 Author Share #11 Posted December 29, 2011 If Andreas was prepared to live with it, could we have a section where posts expired/auto-deleted after a week or so. It would be called something like "I spotted this unusual item or bargain in a shop" and would exclude Fleabay. The items would have to be Leica or Leica-ish and have no sale link to the poster. This could well assist sponsoring dealers and encourage others to sponsor. Although more and more dealers are using eBay, there are still small dealers, junk shops and charity outlets which don't. I am particularly thinking of some of our younger or maybe student members who are aspirant Leica owners. Coming into contact with a number of photographic students, it is pleasing how conversant they often are with the history and significance of Leicas, especially in street and war photography. Quite a few I speak to, rather fancy having a film Leica. I usually point them in the direction of one of the Bessas but a cheap Hexar would be another thought. Forget about M2/3/4 or most of the USSR cameras, etc - these youngsters can only work with a light meter and M6's and 7's are always out of their budget. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted December 29, 2011 Share #12 Posted December 29, 2011 Not on my watch! Most sponsoring members will by pass the ads. It's one of the reasons to sponsor in the first place. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted December 29, 2011 Share #13 Posted December 29, 2011 Not on my watch! Jaap, sorry I don't follow what you are saying. Could you elaborate? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted December 29, 2011 Share #14 Posted December 29, 2011 That "i want to sell " threads will not stand. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted December 29, 2011 Share #15 Posted December 29, 2011 That "i want to sell " threads will not stand. Jaap, have you read the thread? I think you're missing the point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted December 29, 2011 Share #16 Posted December 29, 2011 Getting that feeling as well... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NZDavid Posted December 30, 2011 Share #17 Posted December 30, 2011 Surely other dealers can be mentioned/commented about on the forum, not just the sponsoring ones? Otherwise it is advertisers controlling or restricting what forum members say, even if unintentionally. There have been quite a few posts discussing pros and cons of Leica dealers and service in the UK, US, Europe, Asia, and Australia, and NZ. I think there is a difference here between "advertising" and "informing". Some clarity would help. I'm just a little confused. David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted December 30, 2011 Share #18 Posted December 30, 2011 Good point. I will put the thread back. I think it was in the film sub-forum. Mods will continue to use their discretion and their human failings, going forward and will try to PM people where threads are moderated. Remember that done members elect not to receive PMs or don't read them. Edit: Correction. It is in "Collectors" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NZDavid Posted December 30, 2011 Share #19 Posted December 30, 2011 You're up bright and early, Andy. A grey area and I think we'd all agree to abide by the umpire's decision. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted December 30, 2011 Share #20 Posted December 30, 2011 Always up early... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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