jaapv Posted November 25, 2011 Share #21 Â Posted November 25, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) Yes - in that case I have no ready explanation, but I'm sure Will will have. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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WarriorJazz Posted November 25, 2011 Author Share #22 Â Posted November 25, 2011 I hope he can fix it this time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert blu Posted November 25, 2011 Share #23 Â Posted November 25, 2011 I somehow understand Eelco's feeling, having my self some (not very bog, honestly) doubts about reliability of Leicas M cameras after 4 years of use. My m7 0.58 needs rangefinder calibration each 8-9 months, even when this was made is Solms (which can take at least 6 weeks) . I use the cameras and do not leave them on a shelf. What surprise me is that I used for almost 10 years a less famous RF camera without any problem. Of course I prefer the m7!I'm not sure if this is normal ! robert PS: on the other side shooting RF is much better for my taste than shooting a reflex, and if I plan digital there is o no alternative... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorJazz Posted November 25, 2011 Author Share #24 Â Posted November 25, 2011 ...My m7 0.58 needs rangefinder calibration each 8-9 months... Â Really!? That must cost a fortune after a while. If this is the case with my M6 I'll sell it in a heartbeat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 25, 2011 Share #25 Â Posted November 25, 2011 Fortune? Will is ripping you off? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorJazz Posted November 25, 2011 Author Share #26 Â Posted November 25, 2011 Fortune? Will is ripping you off? Â Not that I know off. :-) but needing to send you camera in every 8-9 months makes it all add up doesn't it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill Posted November 25, 2011 Share #27 Â Posted November 25, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) I find that incredible, in the true sense of the word. I have three M bodies now, and one LTM. I have had at least another five in the past. None has ever needed alignment. Â Regards, Â Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandro Posted November 25, 2011 Share #28 Â Posted November 25, 2011 Did you have the problem with different lenses? The rangefinder of my M6 and my M4-P had to be adjusted once, amd I have had some light leaking problems. Those things happen but Will van Manen knows how to take of it. Lex Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 25, 2011 Share #29  Posted November 25, 2011 I find that incredible, in the true sense of the word. I have three M bodies now, and one LTM. I have had at least another five in the past. None has ever needed alignment. Regards,  Bill  With me only after bangs and slaps Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill Posted November 25, 2011 Share #30 Â Posted November 25, 2011 I don't mollycoddle my equipment. Nothing has ever gone out of alignment in twenty years of ownership, with cameras old and new. Â Regards, Â Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorJazz Posted November 25, 2011 Author Share #31  Posted November 25, 2011 I find that incredible, in the true sense of the word. I have three M bodies now, and one LTM. I have had at least another five in the past. None has ever needed alignment. Regards,  Bill  Can I buy one of yours? :-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill Posted November 25, 2011 Share #32 Â Posted November 25, 2011 LoL! Â Regards, Â Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
analog-photo Posted November 25, 2011 Share #33 Â Posted November 25, 2011 My m7 0.58 needs rangefinder calibration each 8-9 months, even when this was made is Solms (which can take at least 6 weeks) . Â We all have different experiences - I have two M7 which I use frequently as an "enthusiastic amateur", none has so far (five years) needed rangefinder calibration. They have taken some beats and survived, except one that fell on a stone floor this summer. But Solms fixed that in a couple of weeks. I have full confidence in Leica and its products. Â Lars After half a century analog, trying to understand the digital Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless generation Posted November 25, 2011 Share #34 Â Posted November 25, 2011 I think the moral of the story is.. get another M4-P! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorJazz Posted November 26, 2011 Author Share #35 Â Posted November 26, 2011 I think the moral of the story is.. get another M4-P! Â LOL Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert blu Posted November 26, 2011 Share #36 Â Posted November 26, 2011 First thank you all for answering. The problem is not the cost of re-alignement which if made in Italy costs less than 100 EUR and takes a couple of weeks. But if I want it made by Leica they do not do it in Italy and send to Solms. First time it took 4 weeks (which is still ok) and done under warranty. Now I send again and they told me 4-5 weeks after I approve the cost estimation. I'll let you know. I have sometimes the doubts that something very bad happened to that camera when owned by the first owner (maybe fell down in a bad way?) because when I bough it the RF was already slightly misaligned. But the shop where I bought (a known Leica dealer in Italy) let it fix free. I cross the fingers this time ! Thanks for giving your experience Jaap, Bill and Lars. robert Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Messsucherkamera Posted November 27, 2011 Share #37 Â Posted November 27, 2011 I think the moral of the story is.. get another M4-P! Â The M4-P is a great camera and they are an absolute steal compared to the price of a new MP, M7 or M9/M9-P. Many people claim that the M4-P is arguably the most rlialble and durable M camera that Leica ever produced. Â You could do alot worse... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted November 27, 2011 Share #38 Â Posted November 27, 2011 ... Many people claim that the M4-P is arguably the most rlialble and durable M camera that Leica ever produced... First time i read this personally. Any link about this? Just curious. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorJazz Posted November 27, 2011 Author Share #39 Â Posted November 27, 2011 I was just wondering. Is the viewfinder in the m8 a different kind than the one in the m6? I can see its much brighter but it mechanically different? I never had any problems with misalignment with the M8. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Roberts Posted November 28, 2011 Share #40 Â Posted November 28, 2011 I think you've just had some extraordinary bad luck... which unfortunately does happen from time to time... Â I have an M3, an M6, had an M8 and now have an M9. I've put thousands of frames through on each film body; 10s of thousands on the digitals. Â The only camera that's given me any real trouble was the M8, which had a sensor flaw after I had it 18 months. Leica replaced it free of charge. Â I get the digitals CLA'd once a year because I use them so much. I've occasionally had to have a lens or two adjusted with the digital Ms, too. Of course, I had to do that occasionally with Canon and Nikon gear as well (though less since both of those manufacturers built lens micro adjustments into their cameras). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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