stunsworth Posted November 26, 2011 Share #41  Posted November 26, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) May be Leica will collaborate with Lytro https://www.lytro.com/science_inside  I strongly doubt that they would have any interest in a low resolution system such as that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Posto 6 Posted November 27, 2011 Share #42  Posted November 27, 2011 I'm waiting for some gal to have the temerity to wear Leica pasties. (Google images)  They were selling Leica underwear on Ebay the other day if you feel like testing their temerity.... Leica Side Close Underwire Bra Set 32A 34A 36A u032 | eBay  Surely this is not the new surprise product range from Solms! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
40mm f/2 Posted November 27, 2011 Share #43 Â Posted November 27, 2011 I strongly doubt that they would have any interest in a low resolution system such as that. Â Obviously this is only a proof of concept toy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
janki Posted November 27, 2011 Author Share #44  Posted November 27, 2011 Outside my window it has been a very gray day, and the storm has blown for hours. Actually, I should have been out photographing the weather.  Instead, it was much easier to sit in front of the computer playing around with images and various Photoshop effects.  I've of course read the threads about a possible new M10, with or without ability to take video.  We certainly have sense for TROLL in this forum. Actually I came across one last summer that was hiding itself deep in a dark forest, as a protection against the sun. If this had been in the night, the situation would of course become extremely dangerous for me.  Suddenly, when I looked at this TROLL picture, all the pieces fell into place. Remember what's said earlier. The M9 rangefinder camera is good as it is. The new EVIL camera to Dr. Kaufmann is of course the new full digital M 10 FF, with super-O LED viewfinder and AF.  With this camera, it will open up entirely new possibilities with telephoto lenses with the M mount, and opportunities for night photographing without flash.  Here is the very first promo for the new camera with a brand new compact AF super zoom. If we are going to chase TROLL in particular, it may be wise to wait for the version with a black dot, since TROLL is very sensitive to strong saturated colors. :D:D Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/166749-speculations-continuing/?do=findComment&comment=1855724'>More sharing options...
marioalessi Posted November 27, 2011 Share #45 Â Posted November 27, 2011 I find it funny when people complain about their eyesight when they get older. And why should they not make a camera because of that. Â I have had such bad eyesight from an early age that I simply have worn rigid contacts for 30 years. Â So get contacts and be done with it. Since glasses correct vision differently, don't effect peripheral vision, and the worse your eyes are the outside of your vision moves and compresses at a different rate than the center. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted November 27, 2011 Share #46 Â Posted November 27, 2011 M10 and the EVIL are two different cameras in my crystal ball. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 28, 2011 Share #47 Â Posted November 28, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) Well, a camera that comes with an EVIL type viewfinder can never be an M (Messucher) camera by definition. However, it might be conceivable (desirable even from my point of view, and probably that of many other R lens owners) to have a clip-on EVF (Visoflex IV?). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted November 28, 2011 Share #48  Posted November 28, 2011 With its OVF and RF (hopefully) the M10 won't be an EVIL for sure but it could use a clip-on EVF if it has a CMOS sensor. Pretty basic accessory now. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/166749-speculations-continuing/?do=findComment&comment=1856206'>More sharing options...
janki Posted November 28, 2011 Author Share #49  Posted November 28, 2011 I must confess that I have been on the Sony Alpha Rumors and looked at a more than one hour-long presentation about these Nex 5n and 7 cameras. OK, so I let myself get just a little thrilled by that, and transferred some of the ideas behind especially Nex 7 to my Leica world. It has been discussed before, but remains a mystery, how Leica will manage to build a new EVIL camera without at the same time to introduce a new lens line with a new mount, - and furthermore it shall not be a M-mount camera either?? Hmmmm……………. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NZDavid Posted November 28, 2011 Share #50  Posted November 28, 2011 They were selling Leica underwear on Ebay the other day if you feel like testing their temerity....Leica Side Close Underwire Bra Set 32A 34A 36A u032 | eBay  Surely this is not the new surprise product range from Solms!  Let's hope Leica doesn't go bust if they expand into this product line. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NZDavid Posted November 28, 2011 Share #51  Posted November 28, 2011 There are important hints about new 2012 products in this interview with Stefan Daniel, Leica's Director of Product Management: Exclusive: Leica Interview – October 2011 • MegaPixel  "The experience with the very successful Leica X1 leads us to the opinion that a Leica with an interchangeable lens should have at least an APS-sized sensor." Not necessarily a fullframe M10 with EVF, then; maybe a successor to the X1 with interchangeable lenses. Probably a new range, but also compatible with M and possibly R lenses.  "I think that the quality of the 1.4MP finders is already very good, and sometimes even more accurate than an optical finder, think of white balance or exposure. Over time, as technology is improving, optical finders will get less and less important. The X100 finder is a very nice concept and well executed."  It's the way things are headed. Optical range-viewfinders are beautifully made and highly accurate. They are also expensive to manufacture, and EVFs do offer some advantages. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joachim2 Posted December 1, 2011 Share #52 Â Posted December 1, 2011 To contribution #1: Possibly Leica will present two cameras with the new Fujifilm sensor with organic material, both with built-in view finder. One of them may be a successor of the M9, the other one a successor of the X1 and the analog CM. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted December 1, 2011 Share #53 Â Posted December 1, 2011 It has sense that they will go on with two "important-system oriented" product lines... one around FF and the other around APS (C or H - M8 sized) : this can be an opportunity to make a real growth path to achieve the market share targets they have declared. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted December 1, 2011 Share #54 Â Posted December 1, 2011 To contribution #1:Possibly Leica will present two cameras with the new Fujifilm sensor with organic material, both with built-in view finder. One of them may be a successor of the M9, the other one a successor of the X1 and the analog CM. Â Is there such a sensor in full frame then? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted December 1, 2011 Share #55 Â Posted December 1, 2011 Is there such a sensor in full frame then? Â Why not, some day ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted December 1, 2011 Share #56  Posted December 1, 2011 Is there such a sensor in full frame then? As of now there is no such sensor at all. The one actually working prototype of Fujis’s organic sensor (that I am aware of) only had a single, green-sensitive layer. I understand it is the stacking of layers that is the really difficult part in turning the concept into a marketable product.  Right now we have no reliable information suggesting the organic sensor is close to become a mass-produced reality. It certainly could be – Fuji has been quite successful in playing their cards close to their chest before; the X100 is proof of that –, but we shouldn’t take it as given just yet. It might take Fuji 2 more years, or the organic sensor could turn out not to be viable at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmradman Posted December 1, 2011 Share #57 Â Posted December 1, 2011 Is there such a sensor in full frame then? Â Why pessimism, don't forget in digital world what doesn't exist today is good for scrap heap in 3-4 years time. Stating obvious, Moore Law worked well so far; we are given improved performance microprocessors and digital imagers all the time and in very short regular cycles. Â Key point here is market, unless Leica can commission sensor to its own specification and competitive price to give them desired market share it may well depend on market leading providers like Sony & Fuji to buy "cheap" mass produced sensors off the shelf. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted December 1, 2011 Share #58 Â Posted December 1, 2011 Hmm..The list of vaporware that never made it to the market is far longer than the number of products that comply with Moore's Law. In fact I don't believe in it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joachim2 Posted December 2, 2011 Share #59 Â Posted December 2, 2011 To contribution #1:Possibly Leica will present two cameras with the new Fujifilm sensor with organic material, both with built-in view finder. One of them may be a successor of the M9, the other one a successor of the X1 and the analog CM. You may read the article "Fujifilm Systemkamera mit neuer Sensortechnologie?" by jmschuh of 22.11.2011 in fuji-X100-forum.de More may be seen on the CES in Las Vegas next month (Jan. 2012). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
40mm f/2 Posted December 3, 2011 Share #60 Â Posted December 3, 2011 If that is information and not misinformation Mirrorless Rumors | Blog | Will Fuji use a new organic sensor? Is that the key to beat fullframe sensors? this type of sensor would be very interesting for Leica lenses as it is supposed to work with "slanting rays of light" without any micro lenses. Sounds more like film - no retrofocus WA lens design is required. Smaller (and maybe cheaper) lenses like the Zeiss ZM Biogon 21mm/f4.5 could be used. Leica can anyhow not rely on Kodak as a longterm supplier of sensors. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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