M9reno Posted November 5, 2011 Share #1 Posted November 5, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) Can this be for real? 믿을수 있는 제품 ::: 우리카메라 :::라이카,짜이즈,콘탁스,롤라이플렉스 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted November 5, 2011 Posted November 5, 2011 Hi M9reno, Take a look here "HCB's" M3. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
luigi bertolotti Posted November 5, 2011 Share #2 Posted November 5, 2011 It could be real... and, in case, a really precious piece (i don't succeed in translating, so don't understand the terms of offering, if is for sale). Of course, should I be interested in acquiring such an item, I would like to have something more than a typewritten warranty and a matching numbered body... both are not difficult to be reworked, expecially a body in those conditions... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250swb Posted November 5, 2011 Share #3 Posted November 5, 2011 I can see now why he covered it in black tape! Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
viramati Posted November 5, 2011 Share #4 Posted November 5, 2011 Looks cool and I have no idea about these things. If you look at the base plate the way the paint is worn it looks like that could be wear and tear but in no way would the top look like that unless someone had deliberately stripped the paint off. I would have thought it could easily be a fake unless you had lot more proof of provenance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabears Posted November 5, 2011 Share #5 Posted November 5, 2011 IMHO This story is a fake, the forger has made a BIG mistake in the warranty card. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
smdavey Posted November 5, 2011 Share #6 Posted November 5, 2011 IMHO This story is a fake, the forger has made a BIG mistake in the warranty card. is it that the word "march" is in english not french? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabears Posted November 5, 2011 Share #7 Posted November 5, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) is it that the word "march" is in english not french? Let's start "hot-warm-cold" game:). Now: cold!...in this case the errors are two...no, it's a BIG error... ...to be continued... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
viramati Posted November 5, 2011 Share #8 Posted November 5, 2011 also the european date formula in D/M/Y not M/D/Y Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jc_braconi Posted November 5, 2011 Share #9 Posted November 5, 2011 Never see a so strong vulcanite.. and a so weared paint...HCB must cleaned it with Scotch Brite the s/n is in the 150 black paint from 1965 looks aso have been red painted in the last issue Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabears Posted November 5, 2011 Share #10 Posted November 5, 2011 also the european date formula in D/M/Y not M/D/Y ...good point! ...so three errors... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted November 5, 2011 Share #11 Posted November 5, 2011 is it that the word "march" is in english not french? The faker must have been born on Mars. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hiles Posted November 5, 2011 Share #12 Posted November 5, 2011 Looks cool and I have no idea about these things. If you look at the base plate the way the paint is worn it looks like that could be wear and tear but in no way would the top look like that unless someone had deliberately stripped the paint off. I would have thought it could easily be a fake unless you had lot more proof of provenance. This camera is not at all convincing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted November 5, 2011 Share #13 Posted November 5, 2011 I say, come on chaps, who's ever heard of the Chinese faking anything? I have a chap in shanghai who supplies me with all sorts of lost wonders, Sum Ting Wong Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M9reno Posted November 5, 2011 Author Share #14 Posted November 5, 2011 According to Wikipedia: "Postal codes were introduced in France in 1964, when La Poste introduced automated sorting. They were updated to use the current 5 digits system in 1972." ...ergo, five-digit postal code "75001 Paris" on the card post-dates the alleged date of purchase by six years! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
smdavey Posted November 5, 2011 Share #15 Posted November 5, 2011 the Leica serial number sticker looks like a photocopy cut out and stuck on? hot or cold? is the address wrong? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabears Posted November 5, 2011 Share #16 Posted November 5, 2011 According to Wikipedia: "Postal codes were introduced in France in 1964, when La Poste introduced automated sorting. They were updated to use the current 5 digits system in 1972." ...ergo, five-digit postal code "75001 Paris" on the card post-dates the alleged date of purchase by six years! Bingo! There was NOT a five digit postal code in Paris in 1966... Prior to 1972, the address in the 1 arrondissement in Paris, would be written as: 198 rue de Rivoli Paris 1e This number was incorporated into the postal code as: 198 rue de Rivoli 75001 Paris only years later!! Now the faker has to find another (blank) warranty card... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted November 5, 2011 Share #17 Posted November 5, 2011 Bingo!There was NOT a five digit postal code in Paris in 1966... Prior to 1972, the address in the 1 arrondissement in Paris, would be written as: 198 rue de Rivoli Paris 1e This number was incorporated into the postal code as: 198 rue de Rivoli 75001 Paris only years later!! Now the faker has to find another (blank) warranty card... Maybe there was some kind of upgrade program at the time, send your M3 in for new strap lugs or whatever and get a new card too. The trick is to ask the seller if you can buy 3 of them !! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted November 5, 2011 Share #18 Posted November 5, 2011 Bingo!There was NOT a five digit postal code in Paris in 1966... Prior to 1972, the address in the 1 arrondissement in Paris, would be written as: 198 rue de Rivoli Paris 1e This number was incorporated into the postal code as: 198 rue de Rivoli 75001 Paris only years later!! Now the faker has to find another (blank) warranty card... Aha !!! Good eye... that's very revealing....... I wonder also why the "R" of the rewind knob looks like a "P"... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twotone Posted November 5, 2011 Share #19 Posted November 5, 2011 How much are they asking for it? Surely an original HCB M3 for sale would be massive news throughout Leicaland and surely this camera would be well documented, I mean every single screw ever installed in a Leica camera since 1925 is known about where they were manufactured and so on yet one of the most famous Lieca shooters' camera isn't at all documented (far as I can tell) and then all of a sudden said cameraman's M3 turns up for sale in China? Skeptical, moi:D Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StephenPatterson Posted November 5, 2011 Share #20 Posted November 5, 2011 The website is Korean, not Chinese. Still, it's hard to say exactly who is responsible for this monstrosity, but I don't think the Russians would have messed up the date sequence. Noticing the modern postal code is brilliant. Can anyone tell me why you would go so "over the top" with the fake aging and patina? Has anyone ever seen a Black/Red/Brass finish on an M camera? I cannot even begin to imagine how you would explain red paint, or the remnants of red paint, on a faked camera? I truly hope that given the level of stupidity seen here that the perpetrators of this fraud didn't trash a genuine black paint M3. Does anyone else see letters on the back of the camera, to the right of the bulb sync? Stephen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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