Mylek Posted August 28, 2011 Share #1 Posted August 28, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hello, i'm presently using a 35mm cron IV with FF Ms. Lately i needed to used it wide open and in low light and i found the pictures to be good but lacking something. Which lens will be a good purchase to improve the contrast, sharpness and OOF. A 35mm cron ASPH or a 35mm lux ASPH V1? Is the V2 worth the wait over V1? Would you keep the cron if i'm going toward the lux? I really like it for its compact size... I like portraiture, documentary and street photography and love what i see when lenses are used at wide aperture, isolation of subjects and the OOF rendering. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SangNguyen Posted August 28, 2011 Share #2 Posted August 28, 2011 I had both 35 cron v4 and ASPH, I could not find much different between them when using on film body. Maybe, the ASPH is slightly higher in contrast, but the color from v4 is wonderful. So my choice is v4. I also like street photography and my favourite lens is 50 mm DR Kind regards, Sang Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted August 28, 2011 Share #3 Posted August 28, 2011 I have no experience with 35/1.4 asph sorry. The 35/2 asph is sharper and more contrasty than the pre-asph v4 and its bokeh is similar at f/2 as clear as i can see. When i need sharp images, i can shoot all the way at f/2 with the asph. With the pre-asph, i will stop down a bit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rsh Posted August 29, 2011 Share #4 Posted August 29, 2011 The lens you have is a fine lens. With the current lack of lens availability and the high prices both new and used, I would stick with what you have. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kokoshawnuff Posted August 29, 2011 Share #5 Posted August 29, 2011 The current cron ASPH is a great lens and there are plenty available in the classifieds secion of this site. If the lens is ultimately inadequate for your needs you'll be able to get your money back. It's worth a try. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lars_bergquist Posted August 29, 2011 Share #6 Posted August 29, 2011 I own or have owned, and worked with the following 35mm M lenses: • V.4. Fairly low contrast wide open, soft corners. But it is actually better with the M9 than on film. When I discovered this, I sent it to Solms for coding and a CLA, and it is very useful for its compactness, when stopped down a bit. I like it. • Pre-ASPH Summilux. In film days, I wanted the speed but found that the lens is a dog. Large amounts of coma and veiling glare made it useless at 1.4. It performed well at middle apertures – but so did the v.4 Summicron. Left for dead and sold. • Summilux ASPH. Lovely lens but sensitive to flare. Focus shift not obvious on film, but made apertures 2.8 and 4 useless at normal taking ranges on digital. Fabulously good at 5.6. Sold before its successor was announced (this was when the v.4 stepped into the breach). • Summilux ASPH TLE. Just as good definition as the predecessor, but without any obvious focus shift. I am told that residual amounts remain, but have not seen it myself. Less flare than predecessor. Nice boke. A super optic, just like the 50mm Summilux ASPH. I love both. The old man from the Age of Walter Mandler Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted August 29, 2011 Share #7 Posted August 29, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) The current cron ASPH is a great lens and there are plenty available in the classifieds secion of this site. If the lens is ultimately inadequate for your needs you'll be able to get your money back. It's worth a try. + 1 : is difficult, for me, to imagine a better 35. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_tribble Posted August 29, 2011 Share #8 Posted August 29, 2011 I did switch earlier this year from Cron v IV to Cron Asph and am very pleased I did it - mainly because of perceived improvements in contrast, colour intensity and corner sharpness on the M9. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Fluff Posted August 29, 2011 Share #9 Posted August 29, 2011 I like portraiture, documentary and street photography and love what i see when lenses are used at wide aperture, isolation of subjects and the OOF rendering. In that case I'd venture the Lux Asph is your man. Sure there are slight shift issues with the earlier one, but it's a price I happily pay for what it can do wide open, and stopped down. I've had the Cron asph - the lux for me is a massive leap in IQ. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xalo Posted August 29, 2011 Share #10 Posted August 29, 2011 Hi, The first fast 35 lens I had was a pre-asph Summilux, meanwhile sold for the benefit of a 35/2 IV and 35/1,4 Asph v1. I also have a goggled Summaron. On film (my only FF M), the Asph v1 has more contrast than any of the other lenses, is sharper at all apertures and seems to me perhaps a little cooler (read: more neutral) in colour rendering. I wanted it for a sharp f/1,4 and that better flare resistance often coming with higher contrast. I am as happy as can be with it in those regards, it's really outstanding. Focus shift on my RD-1 beyond 2 m (go figure) is a nuisance, no issue at all on film. I got the 35/2 IV for a lower contrast rendering mainly on b&w film (also great on late KC64) and larger perceived dynamic range on my RD-1 — it turned out to also focus very accurately on this camera. At f/2, I found it to be a little less sharp than the pre-asph Summilux (at infinity at least), similarly creamy in OOF, but more flare resistant. Its compact size (very little intrusion in the .72 viewfinder), weight and drawing make it a great complement to the Summilux Asph v1. Bottom line, I would recommend keeping the Summicron IV and watching out for a Summilux Asph, if you can. FLE seems commendable for digital. Best, Alexander Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mylek Posted August 29, 2011 Author Share #11 Posted August 29, 2011 Thanks! Is there any others lens that can give me the same kind of look like the lux V1? How does it compare with the Zeiss 50mm Sonnar? That will give me a reference... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted August 29, 2011 Share #12 Posted August 29, 2011 ...Is there any others lens that can give me the same kind of look like the lux V1?... You mean the Summilux *asph* v1 i guess, right? If so i don't know as i have no experience with this lens. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter_n Posted September 1, 2011 Share #13 Posted September 1, 2011 Would you keep the cron if i'm going toward the lux? I really like it for its compact size...I had the first version 35 Summilux ASPH for a number of years and thought it was a lovely lens. A bit awkward to use though, something to do with the length of it. Anyway I bought a 35 Summicron ASPH and then a v.1 (8-element) pre-ASPH to try and ultimately sold the Summilux and don't miss it. I just really preferred using the Summicron ASPH, it's very smooth and renders beautifully and I use faster film in place of the f1.4. If you like a compact lens get the Summicron ASPH, it's hardly any bigger than a pre-ASPH Summicron as the picture below shows. I think it's the best 35mm lens I've used. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/160504-updating-from-35mm-cron-iv/?do=findComment&comment=1781777'>More sharing options...
Mylek Posted September 1, 2011 Author Share #14 Posted September 1, 2011 Peter, What do you mean by "A bit awkard to use..." Were you using it with digital as well? Will the summicron ASPH have more contrast at f/2 than the lux at the same aperture? From what i've read on the web, you like the Summicron ASPH or the IV, it seems really subjective. I found a Summicron ASPH and a Summilux ASPH for almost the same price. So the choice is difficult but from what i've seen, i really like the character of the Lux but the story about the focus shift make me think twice! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lars_bergquist Posted September 2, 2011 Share #15 Posted September 2, 2011 I had the first version 35 Summilux ASPH for a number of years and thought it was a lovely lens. A bit awkward to use though, something to do with the length of it. [ ... ] The length of it? In the picture you show the lens with a non-standard screw-in hood, attached on top of the filter. The standard hood attaches not on top of the filter, but over it, directly to the lens barrel. If you had shown the lens as delivered, it would have been quite a bit shorter. The old man from the Age of Walter Mandler Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted September 2, 2011 Share #16 Posted September 2, 2011 Without hoods, the Summicron 35/2 asph is about 12 millimeters shorter (34.5 vs 46.2) and 65 (black: 255 vs 320) or 75 (silver: 340 vs 415) grams lighter than the Summilux 35/1.4 asph v1. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter_n Posted September 2, 2011 Share #17 Posted September 2, 2011 Peter, What do you mean by "A bit awkard to use..." Were you using it with digital as well? Will the summicron ASPH have more contrast at f/2 than the lux at the same aperture?... From what i've read on the web, you like the Summicron ASPH or the IV, it seems really subjective.Yes it's subjective, and you can throw in sample variation into the mix too. The awkwardness was probably something in my head, to me it's a long lens for a 35mm whereas the Summicron is really compact. Since a 35 is my carry-round lens that was important to me. I don't use Leica digitals but I never noticed any focus shift with my copy of the Summilux, and I really never made contrast comparisons. There didn't seem to be that much difference in the lenses' rendering to be honest. I want to emphasize that the output of the Summilux was really excellent and the reason I sold it was that I didn't seem to need the f1.4 and I found the ergonomics of the Summicron better for me. The length of it? In the picture you show the lens with a non-standard screw-in hood, attached on top of the filter. The standard hood attaches not on top of the filter, but over it, directly to the lens barrel. If you had shown the lens as delivered, it would have been quite a bit shorter.I'm sure you're correct Lars but I was never able to get the OEM hood on the Summilux. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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