delander † Posted August 27, 2011 Share #1 Posted August 27, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) Photograph taken with M9 and 50mm summilux ASPH at f1.4. Jeff Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/160331-what-do-you-think-of-the-bokeh/?do=findComment&comment=1776824'>More sharing options...
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rob139 Posted August 27, 2011 Share #2 Posted August 27, 2011 Very smooth bokeh, I like it. Is something not right, why are you asking? Rob Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
delander † Posted August 27, 2011 Author Share #3 Posted August 27, 2011 I also think it is great, I'm beginning to like the lens a lot, I just wondered what others felt about. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holybasil Posted August 27, 2011 Share #4 Posted August 27, 2011 That doesn't show the lens's full bokeh potential in my opinion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted August 27, 2011 Share #5 Posted August 27, 2011 Smooth, easy on the eyes, no blazing highlights to really challenge the lens, but appreciated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted August 27, 2011 Share #6 Posted August 27, 2011 No bokeh problem at f/1.4. It becomes to be sharper as slower apertures. I would try again at f/2.8 with light sources in the frame. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
delander † Posted August 27, 2011 Author Share #7 Posted August 27, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) No bokeh problem at f/1.4. It becomes to be sharper as slower apertures. I would try again at f/2.8 with light sources in the frame. Actually I have printed this at A3+ size and i'm very pleased with the sharpness. The focus point was the side arm of the spectacles. I dont think trying again is an option. If I had wanted to shoot at f2.8 I could have used my summicron. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
delander † Posted August 27, 2011 Author Share #8 Posted August 27, 2011 That doesn't show the lens's full bokeh potential in my opinion. Well this is a workshop, I framed it as I wanted and the background is not that far from the subject. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicashot Posted August 27, 2011 Share #9 Posted August 27, 2011 iMHO, this lens doesn't have 'bokeh' It's out of focus is so smooth that at closer distances it perfect out of focus rendering makes the perspective look more like an 85mm lens. If it does have 'bokeh' its bloody boring....which is why I use it. Background out of focus is smooth and undistorted, perfect for professional work. For more personal work, I'd prefer the pre-asph any day of the week for it's character. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted August 27, 2011 Share #10 Posted August 27, 2011 What i said was not clear i suspect. I meant that bokeh is smooth enough at f/1.4 but less so at slower apertures. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lars_bergquist Posted August 28, 2011 Share #11 Posted August 28, 2011 Here is a 50mm Summilux ASPH shot that consists nearly exclusively of boke. 1:2 at 1/30th and ISO 1000. The focus is on the bow of the second fiddler from the left. The picture was taken yesterday, Saturday, during the National Folk Music Meet in Stockholm. The old timber Seglora church is quite dark inside. Outside the south window in the picture, the sun is blazing. The contrast is extreme – it is like aiming the lens directly into a bank of halogen lights. One important part of boke, to my mind, is the ability to handle such an extreme situation without internal reflections and with no more flare than what gives the shot a bit of atmosphere. No other high speed lens I have experience of could have done this, with the (possible) exception of the 35mm Summilux ASPH FLE. The old man from the Age of the v.4 50mm Summicron Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/160331-what-do-you-think-of-the-bokeh/?do=findComment&comment=1777673'>More sharing options...
Holybasil Posted August 28, 2011 Share #12 Posted August 28, 2011 Well this is a workshop, I framed it as I wanted and the background is not that far from the subject. Jeff Don't get me wrong, it's a lovely image for sure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicashot Posted August 28, 2011 Share #13 Posted August 28, 2011 Here is a 50mm Summilux ASPH shot that consists nearly exclusively of boke. 1:2 at 1/30th and ISO 1000. The focus is on the bow of the second fiddler from the left. The picture was taken yesterday, Saturday, during the National Folk Music Meet in Stockholm. The old timber Seglora church is quite dark inside. Outside the south window in the picture, the sun is blazing. The contrast is extreme – it is like aiming the lens directly into a bank of halogen lights. One important part of boke, to my mind, is the ability to handle such an extreme situation without internal reflections and with no more flare than what gives the shot a bit of atmosphere. No other high speed lens I have experience of could have done this, with the (possible) exception of the 35mm Summilux ASPH FLE. The old man from the Age of the v.4 50mm Summicron While I agree with you Lars, the Summilux ASPH isn't the best 50 when it comes to shooting against light. Here is an example shooting into the sun. Shot 'without' a filter wide open with the sun placed at top of the frame. Stopped down may have improved it's resistance to the reflections. Untitled | Flickr - Photo Sharing! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabdhu Posted August 28, 2011 Share #14 Posted August 28, 2011 all of 'em lovely of course. Are you all aware that you are asking, and getting, performance that is so far beyond the Tessar T* standard of not many years ago? You demand the ultimate smoothness and lack of flare straight into the light (so do I, now I've become used to the latest computations), whereas our fathers would have tut-tutted at pushing the kit this far. We are blessed with the best lenses now, that the World has ever seen, and because of economics and software fixes, probably ever will see. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sm23221 Posted August 28, 2011 Share #15 Posted August 28, 2011 It doesn't appear any different to me than any other lens. Sorry. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
delander † Posted August 28, 2011 Author Share #16 Posted August 28, 2011 It is beautifully smooth, which cant be seen on this full frame, but on a print It's great close up. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lars_bergquist Posted August 29, 2011 Share #17 Posted August 29, 2011 While I agree with you Lars, the Summilux ASPH isn't the best 50 when it comes to shooting against light. Here is an example shooting into the sun. Shot 'without' a filter wide open with the sun placed at top of the frame. Stopped down may have improved it's resistance to the reflections. Untitled | Flickr - Photo Sharing! Well, you like internal reflections all over the picture. I like a minimal amount of flare, and no reflections. De gustibus non est disputandum. But my argument was not about taste, but of technical quality – about what I like to call subject fidelity. And these two are different matters. The inability to distinguish between them is common, but it makes just about any discussion about optics meaningless. And you did not state a.f.a.i.c.s. what lens you took the picture with. Though I think I can guess ... The old man Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted August 29, 2011 Share #18 Posted August 29, 2011 Lars, the pic was shot with a Summilux 50/1.4 asph. Never got that kind of flare personally but it's not the first time i hear of this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
philipus Posted August 29, 2011 Share #19 Posted August 29, 2011 Photograph taken with M9 and 50mm summilux ASPH at f1.4. Jeff I like the bokeh. The fact that the background (particularly around the head) is a bit darker also makes the man stand out well. /p Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicashot Posted August 29, 2011 Share #20 Posted August 29, 2011 Well, you like internal reflections all over the picture. I like a minimal amount of flare, and no reflections. De gustibus non est disputandum. But my argument was not about taste, but of technical quality – about what I like to call subject fidelity. And these two are different matters. The inability to distinguish between them is common, but it makes just about any discussion about optics meaningless. And you did not state a.f.a.i.c.s. what lens you took the picture with. Though I think I can guess ... The old man I never said I 'liked' internal reflections Lars.I also wasn't talking about taste, but following on from your point about technical quality....you're putting words into my mouth mate. There's no inability to distinguish anything...just you seem to be misunderstanding. I stated what lens it was very clearly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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