maccaco Posted August 25, 2011 Share #1 Posted August 25, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) I'm thinking of buying a backup camera to use the M lenses, and I can think of the following: 1) Olympus PEN-EP1/2 (I do not like the crop factor x2) 2) NEX-5 (I hate that no e-viewer) 3)Ricoh GRX and M-mount module A12 (very interesting but has a separate viewfinder) ... and lastly the future... 4) NEX-7 (very interesting but expensive) ... The Epson DR1/s discarded for technical support (and still is expensive) ... My head shot in the direction of the Ricoh first and then goes to the NEXT-7 What does the forum? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jankap Posted August 25, 2011 Share #2 Posted August 25, 2011 What do you mean with "backup"? You get a second user manual to study. Different sensor sizes, different properties. A Leica M lens has a picture circle of 43 mm. A small sensor isn't an efficient use of the lens. Jan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted August 25, 2011 Share #3 Posted August 25, 2011 You will have different batteries, chargers, need tocarry adapter rings... The only reasonable backup for an M9 is another M9 or an M 8. Or something like a DLux5. The NEX7 will not be available for months... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
norm_snyder Posted August 26, 2011 Share #4 Posted August 26, 2011 While I think that a number of the mentioned cameras complement the M9, they wouldn't for me, be as effective for "back up" as another M body. Currently, I am using an M8u, and while the GXR is of interest, it would be more of a complementary body, one that is smaller and lighter than the M's, and could use their lenses, but maybe even more useful to me, would be the possibility of mounting 105 or 180 mm manual focus Nikkors I already own, which would give me reach and speed without much bulk, along with TTL focusing. Wouldn't be cheap, though, with the addition of the GXR body and M mount sensor [about 1000- US total], plus two adaptors, one an M and the other Nikon-to-M. Cheaper to get a small reflex body. [bTW Jaap, are you still using the K5?]. Of course, there are always film bodies. I tend to toss one in a side pocket of a bag with a few rolls of film when traveling, but the past couple of years rarely resort to it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest malland Posted August 26, 2011 Share #5 Posted August 26, 2011 ...My head shot in the direction of the Ricoh first and then goes to the NEXT-7What does the forum? I think the answer is that it's too early to tell before seeing the image quality produced by the Ricoh GXR M-Module and the NEX-7, in particular to the issue of sharpness and color casts in the corners of the frame. The GXR M-Module has micro-lenses and a facility for adjustments that can dialed for individual lenses. I don't know what the NEX-7 has in this respect, but the latest NEX-5 apparently no longer has a corner problem on the corners, so I would assume that the NEX-7 wouldn't have this problem either. Both the GXR M-Module and the NEX-7 have a focus "peaking" system that makes manual focus easy. At this stage. although I have a GXR, I'm leaning to the NEX-7 because it has some dazzling features, including a built-in OLED EVF with 2.4 million dots, 24MP and a shutter lag of only 20ms, which is approaching M6 territory — looks like a beautiful camera as well, with three manual controls with assignable functions. But I'll wait to see the image quality with M-lenses. —Mitch/Guangzhou Rainy Season Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted August 26, 2011 Share #6 Posted August 26, 2011 NEX-7 is appealing but i would be surprised if it gives good results with M wides. I may be wrong though. For now i would say Ricoh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
maccaco Posted August 26, 2011 Author Share #7 Posted August 26, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) What do you mean with "backup"?You get a second user manual to study. Different sensor sizes, different properties. A Leica M lens has a picture circle of 43 mm. A small sensor isn't an efficient use of the lens. Jan I do not know if I am wrong (probably) in concept, but for me, the meaning of "backup" is to have a camera that I can use my M lenses while the M8 is adjustment or repair. An Epson RD1 is within this concept, and is a camera with x1.5 crop factor (like ricoh or nex) as I remember. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted August 26, 2011 Share #8 Posted August 26, 2011 A backup is not by definition a camera that can take the same lenses. It is a camera that can take the same image, preferably at the same quality, but minimally at an acceptable quality for the purpose. Thus a decent zooming point-and-shoot can be a good backup to an M9 plus a range of lenses in some cases, whereas in other cicumstances only a second M9 will do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest malland Posted August 26, 2011 Share #9 Posted August 26, 2011 The definition of a backup for an M9 depends on what one's objectives are. My own interest is in a replacement for the M9. —Mitch/Guangzhou Paris au rythme de Basquiat Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted August 26, 2011 Share #10 Posted August 26, 2011 A backup camera is a video camera attached to the rear of a vehicle to aid in backing up. Yes i see what you mean Maccaco. To me, the M8.2 is a wide backup for my Epsons. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfgang Esslinger Posted August 26, 2011 Share #11 Posted August 26, 2011 I guess we are talking about a backup for the M8, not M9. Currently I am going through a similar thought process, keeping Leica's reliability in mind (my experience, others may have had more luck). One suggestion would be to buy another M8. No trouble with lenses or batteries but if the charger fails... On the other hand it would be nice to have another camera not just as backup but also for situations which are not suited to M8, eg. video, high ISO, silent mode, telephoto... One could go for a Nex-5 which might drop in price due to nex-5n/nex-7, use it and maybe later switch to Leica's to-be-launched system sometime in 2013. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cfx Posted August 26, 2011 Share #12 Posted August 26, 2011 the backup for my M8 is a M2 (with trix or Kodak BW 400 CN) no batteries, no chargers, same handling, same Leica-M feeling Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted August 26, 2011 Share #13 Posted August 26, 2011 And a pocket full of film, scanners, etc... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted August 26, 2011 Share #14 Posted August 26, 2011 I guess we are talking about a backup for the M8, not M9. Currently I am going through a similar thought process, keeping Leica's reliability in mind (my experience, others may have had more luck). One suggestion would be to buy another M8. No trouble with lenses or batteries but if the charger fails... On the other hand it would be nice to have another camera not just as backup but also for situations which are not suited to M8, eg. video, high ISO, silent mode, telephoto... One could go for a Nex-5 which might drop in price due to nex-5n/nex-7, use it and maybe later switch to Leica's to-be-launched system sometime in 2013. M9 is top of the heap, scale down as applicable Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest malland Posted August 27, 2011 Share #15 Posted August 27, 2011 Jaap, I guess you mean for that to be article of faith. —Mitch/Guangzhou Beijing Rhythms Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted August 27, 2011 Share #16 Posted August 27, 2011 No, experience. I will not get into argument with people who claim to get "as good or better" results with camera X Y or Z. I just wait for the one day wonders to float to their own level and in digital that only takes six months. Otoh I am driving my dealer mad by trying out different cameras. Btw I am very happy with my wifes Olympus XZ1. It is a very good P& S and as such practical as a slip in the pocket backup for less critical work. If used as backup on travel it has a few features to reommend it. Apart from a pretty good lens and sensor and low level of in- camera noise reduction, it offers a professional underwater housing for diving and snorkellimg for instance. And an acceptable EVF. The X1 and X100 are less useful as they lack zooms, they are better used as cameras in their own right. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fang Posted August 28, 2011 Share #17 Posted August 28, 2011 My recommended back-up is a D-Lux5. Have been travelling with both the D-Lux5 and M9, there are situations where my M9 just is not flexible / fast enough to capture while the D-Lux5 does the job. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
uroman Posted September 1, 2011 Share #18 Posted September 1, 2011 i've tried Nex and Pen, and both are great. I think the backup camera should be anything you feel comfortable with. Those choices are good. For most pictures, it may not matter which backup you bring. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shade Posted September 19, 2011 Share #19 Posted September 19, 2011 The nex7 will be an awesome contender for sure, i will wait it out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Holy Moly Posted September 20, 2011 Share #20 Posted September 20, 2011 The NEX 7 isn't prepared for the adapted lenses, especially wide angle. Sony has no interest to promote third party lenses, they care only for their own line plus Zeiss. For longer Leica lenses this might be ok, given the easier focussing for the 90 and 135mm Elmarits. But we have to wait..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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