earleygallery Posted July 28, 2011 Share #21 Posted July 28, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) My first digital camera had a fixed focal lenght lens, fixed ISO and no LCD. It was a Samsung - I'm sure you could find one on ebay. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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luigi bertolotti Posted July 28, 2011 Share #22 Posted July 28, 2011 I can understand that many could work fine without the LCD... but seriously speaking, a LCDless M9 would have a slightly lower cost (eaten away by some little "plus") and few mm less of depth... isn't worth to build, simply. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted July 28, 2011 Share #23 Posted July 28, 2011 There are many of us old-timers that are quite content using our M2, M3 or M4 (and original lenses) with film and have never chased after the latest gadgets. We find the image quality and camera features fine, even though we admit others may find all the more modern features more to their liking.However, it's obvious the film, darkroom supplies (or good processing) and such have limited availability and may soon disappear. So to us a "digital film" camera is all we want, once film is gone. Yes, the M9 is a good answer, as we can ignore the extra features and continue to use it like an M3, but we pay a size and price premium for features we don't want. Of course, a camera without those features would have such limited market (probably) that the cost would be just as high; but just maybe it could get back to M3 or even IIIf size. Even though I'd prefer that, I'm happy Leica made the M9. It's probably the last camera I'll ever buy, as long as it keeps working. But then, I still drive a '73 VW Beetle... While I appreciate the sentiment, this post really shows a lack of understanding of digital photography (I don't mean to be rude). For years, I avoided, rejected and struggled against moving to digital - till I found the M9. Smaller, lighter, higher quality than any of my film cameras, and stripped to the basics. Heaven! But the LCD is essential. Not for looking at your pictures - I very rarely do that - but for its menus. There is stuff that just has to be set in digital that isn't relevant to film photography, and you just can't do it with mechanical buttons. The biggest issue is that with digital you have ISO adjustment and white balance. You really can't make the most out of a digital camera without being able to control these, and an LCD screen is fundamentally essential for this. It's just the most effective way of doing it. Then there are other things like formatting SD cards, setting DNG compression, or selecting JPEG (if that floats your boat). Once you get your head around being able to set ISO for each frame, and setting white balance, you then come to understand the biggest difference with digital photography. I didn't really notice this until I played around with my MP, and found the single variable approach to photography (shutter speed, if you use wide apertures) limiting. Quite unawares, I had got used to being able to adjust ISO so that I could keep the aperture wide at usable speeds - even using 0.9 ND filters (though I'd like a slower ISO and faster top shutter speed - the F5 went to 1/8000). Cheers John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 28, 2011 Share #24 Posted July 28, 2011 And don't get me started on the Exposure Compensation implementation in the M8 - pure insanity..... Strange-mine has the simplest exposure compensation I can imagine. I turn the shutterspeed dial off " A ":rolleyes: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomB_tx Posted July 28, 2011 Share #25 Posted July 28, 2011 Of course it wouldn't be worth it for Leica to make such a beast - I was just agreeing with the original post that such a model would suit some of us fine. But the M9 is close enough! There is a tactile pleasure in operating fine machinery like the M3, and many of the DSLR users who switched to the M9 comment on that aspect; but with the M9 it is mainly the lenses that retain that precision feel. That's where an M3-like manual shutter wind instead of the motor would attract a few of us who like to interact with the machinery more. Actually, the M9 won't be my last camera purchase - I got a Leica Standard after the M9. That's also a joy to use. An Elmar still does nice work. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted July 29, 2011 Author Share #26 Posted July 29, 2011 [...]Even though I'd prefer that, I'm happy Leica made the M9. It's probably the last camera I'll ever buy, as long as it keeps working. But then, I still drive a '73 VW Beetle... Mine is a 1956 Beetle albeit it with a 1776 engine, dual Kadrons, split-cam and flow-though filtered and external Exstrab cooling system. Of course it stopped running suddenly last year and since I have became a 100% time bicyclist. With four cars, I am done with the damned things. Now back to Leica M4s for me until the M9 craps out. If it does. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted July 29, 2011 Share #27 Posted July 29, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) I would much prefer a manual shutter re-cock lever, without the motor noise. The LCD is useful to me; the motor is not. Neither change is likely to happen. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomB_tx Posted July 29, 2011 Share #28 Posted July 29, 2011 ...I have became a 100% time bicyclist. Good choice. I used to build custom touring frames in the 1970s. Now at 65 I still get in at least 100 miles a week. A bit too hot in Texas now for full time riding. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted July 29, 2011 Share #29 Posted July 29, 2011 I would much prefer a manual shutter re-cock lever, without the motor noise. The LCD is useful to me; the motor is not. Neither change is likely to happen. Jeff I agree completely : in 4 years of M8, I used continuos shooting mode 2 or 3 times, plus some other for error, and personally would welcome any non-power-eatingand "quietly" feature: LCD can be turned off, motor not... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Fluff Posted July 29, 2011 Share #30 Posted July 29, 2011 Strange-mine has the simplest exposure compensation I can imagine. I turn the shutterspeed dial off " A ":rolleyes: Well, quite - clearly it was designed by people who never intended it be used..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted July 29, 2011 Author Share #31 Posted July 29, 2011 Good choice. I used to build custom touring frames in the 1970s. Now at 65 I still get in at least 100 miles a week. A bit too hot in Texas now for full time riding. In about 78 I suggested to a bike builder a bicycle with a rear monoshock and possibly shocked front end like the 66 BMW and he yelled, "Shocks on a bike? That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard." There already had been bikes with springer front eds. A shock on a bike? What was I thinking! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adli Posted August 3, 2011 Share #32 Posted August 3, 2011 I don't want want an LCD. I would be happy with a viewfinder menu with one or two buttons elsewhere than the back. IOW, a digital Leica M without the bullshit. The elegant M9 menu and post-view can be displayed in the viewfinder, and/or as a an optional hotshoe accessory. Ruggedize it, weather proof it. Call it the M-minus and I'd buy 'em by the pair, maybe half-dozen Digital cameras comes with LCDs, that is something you have to live with, like it or not. I have the option of having post-view in the viewfinder in my X100, I can assure you that you don't want that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StephenPatterson Posted August 3, 2011 Share #33 Posted August 3, 2011 The LCD is essential for many reasons, not the least of which is selecting menu options. For me I use a Luigi case with a hinged back, as I can keep it closed to concentrate on shooting, but quickly refer to it when needed for composition, especially with wide lenses. I would also welcome having a manual shutter re-cock lever, but only if in addition to the motor, with the ability to choose between them. Of course it would never fit (or be very difficult) and I would not want the camera body to be any bigger. So, probably not a viable option. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmradman Posted August 3, 2011 Share #34 Posted August 3, 2011 On digital rear LCD is essential, period. Regarding shutter cocking I am in favour of manual crank. If Leica wants to motorise it why not optional motor winder - Leica hope you read this . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick_S Posted August 3, 2011 Share #35 Posted August 3, 2011 In about 78 I suggested to a bike builder a bicycle with a rear monoshock and possibly shocked front end like the 66 BMW and he yelled, "Shocks on a bike? That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard." There already had been bikes with springer front eds. A shock on a bike? What was I thinking! The Moulton bicycle of 1962 had full front and rear suspension. It broke a number of records in its stripped down S Speed version. Nick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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