sheikhrafiq79 Posted July 27, 2011 Share #1 Posted July 27, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) plz i need some suggestion about camera, what camera is good for me, i have R9 dmr. my photo exhibition size mostly is 24"x20" and i wanna buy one more camera system, so plz suggest me is r9 dmr good enough for me or S2 or should i weight for upcoming new evf camera and how about new coming fuji camera. thanks:confused: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jaapv Posted July 28, 2011 Share #2 Posted July 28, 2011 You're joking, right? I mean - should I get the S2 or the upcoming APS-C camera... Not apples and oranges, but watermelons and orangepips... I find the DMR quite good at 20x24 with just a slight bit of uprezzing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adan Posted July 28, 2011 Share #3 Posted July 28, 2011 I was actually about to start a new thread - but this one seems the ideal place for this post. I was considering options for financing a second M9, and since an SLR is always my "second" camera, I wondered if the 5D2 might not be overkill for my needs and thus might be sacrificed. But in reviewing my files I came across too many results like this. I'm spoiled.... Canon 5D Mk. II and Leitz 180mm f/3.4 APO-Telyt-R - wide open! (which is a good thing, since I don't like focusing at f/8) - and in the corner of the frame! Unbe-effing-lievable! Uprez a DMR image all you want - it won't get here. 100% crop - and the full frame. No sharpening added. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/157978-large-print-which-camera/?do=findComment&comment=1749683'>More sharing options...
Matus Kalisky Posted July 28, 2011 Share #4 Posted July 28, 2011 So simple - just get some 4x5" according to you taste and budget and 20x24" will be just a piece of cake. At least that is how I do it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eleskin Posted July 31, 2011 Share #5 Posted July 31, 2011 I have printed larger than 20"x24" with my M8 files and they look better than the medium format film I have used (Fuji GSW 690) and even some 4x5. That says alot! Used M8's are very reasonable compared to the M9 and other cameras. My end product is the "print", and not pixel peeping. I have printed in the darkroom for 23 years and the M8 has won me over since I bought it in 2007. I tried the M9 3 times, and even an S2 and still feel this way!!! Buy a used M8 and save the $$$ for some glass (you should try the 15mm Super Wide Heliar!!! Killer sharp!!!!!! and only $549 USD.). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julian H Posted July 31, 2011 Share #6 Posted July 31, 2011 24"x20" is not an efficient use of a 2x3 sensor so your chucking loads of precious information away. 24"x16" will get you better use of the sensor [no cropping]. So, firstly, can you change the image size? Personally, I find 24"x16" [pretty much a full A3] a very nice image size to view. Anyway, larger prints are usually viewed at a greater distance so 160ppi is not a problem. I regularly print at A3 from my DMR and my files are [technically] superb, although sometimes the image content lets me down I can still inspect "close in" and am delighted by the results. Finally, when going to these sizes, optimal technique at both taking and PP stages makes a big difference. Making sure you get the best out of your equipment really matters. Good luck, Julian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmradman Posted July 31, 2011 Share #7 Posted July 31, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) I was actually about to start a new thread - but this one seems the ideal place for this post. I was considering options for financing a second M9, and since an SLR is always my "second" camera, I wondered if the 5D2 might not be overkill for my needs and thus might be sacrificed. But in reviewing my files I came across too many results like this. I'm spoiled.... Canon 5D Mk. II and Leitz 180mm f/3.4 APO-Telyt-R - wide open! (which is a good thing, since I don't like focusing at f/8) - and in the corner of the frame! Unbe-effing-lievable! Uprez a DMR image all you want - it won't get here. 100% crop - and the full frame. No sharpening added. Good post. There must be over million R lenses (strange enough I was thinking earlier today to go thru Leica Wiki and count them up) in circulation and lens conversion is popular for a reason - with demise of R system all these lenses are getting new lease of life by being used on Japanese DSLRs and compact system cameras. I am Nikon shooter but if I never had camera other than Leica and have stock of R lenses and considering digital future for them Canon 5D would be on top of my list - all it takes is adapter to interface lens with camera body and works on majority of lenses with few wide angle exceptions (no, you can't use M lenses). Using Nikon & Sony requires some DIY. If you want today to shoot; big MP count, full frame, high frame rate and high ISO look no further than Canon/Nikon/Sony. In terms of using R lenses what Leica brings to the market in the future is one BIG grey area. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmradman Posted August 1, 2011 Share #8 Posted August 1, 2011 Good post. There must be over million R lenses lenses ... I put on my “German” hat and did the sums; according to the date from Leica-Wiki 941,168 R lenses were likely produced in the period spanning 45 years between 1964 and 2009. Not negligible number by any stretch of imagination and assuming 50% of them survived till today terrific legacy asset worth using with best and latest digital backs. Between 1964 - 2009 total lens production (estimated) was 2,059,499 of which 941,168 were R lenses. Number of R cameras produced in the same period was 479,720. That is on average 1.96 lenses per camera. Somebody else can do the sums for M range. As of today I would imagine only small fraction of the R camera total is used with film but ratio is much better for the lenses due to increased hybridisation – principally provided by other manufacturers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildlightphoto Posted August 3, 2011 Share #9 Posted August 3, 2011 I have no idea how big the DMR's files will go but here's a sample. Full file first followed by unsharpened 100% crop: http://www.wildlightphoto.com/mammals/lagomorphs/bthare04.jpg http://www.wildlightphoto.com/temp/btha04crop.jpg I haven't printed bigger than 16" x 20" because my mat cutting equipment limits the maximum print size I can handle. This and several other files printed large with my rudimentary Photoshop skills have detail and color gradation to spare and have the added benefit of making gallery owners and curators speechless I make no apologies for the DMR's image quality. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
farnz Posted August 3, 2011 Share #10 Posted August 3, 2011 ... all it takes is adapter to interface lens with camera body and works on majority of lenses with few wide angle exceptions ... The mirror fouls on more than just the wide angle lenses; for example, it didn't clear my 28-90 Vario-Elmarit-R asph - but the mirror housing is plastic and easy to shave with a Dremel tool and once it's done the 5D2 will take them all. Focussing at f/8 is simple using LiveView too. Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
delander † Posted August 3, 2011 Share #11 Posted August 3, 2011 Just to clear things up 20x16 inches is close to A2 not A3. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julian H Posted August 3, 2011 Share #12 Posted August 3, 2011 Gulp, yes pretty much A2, sorry OP. Julian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ns_ng Posted August 4, 2011 Share #13 Posted August 4, 2011 A2 prints from DMR and M8 are very good. Recently, I sold two 20"x30" prints. These were captured using the Sony A850 with R lenses. I am certain they could be printed beyond A1 with good details. N.S. Ng Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Roberts Posted August 10, 2011 Share #14 Posted August 10, 2011 The mirror fouls on more than just the wide angle lenses; for example, it didn't clear my 28-90 Vario-Elmarit-R asph - but the mirror housing is plastic and easy to shave with a Dremel tool and once it's done the 5D2 will take them all. Focussing at f/8 is simple using LiveView too. Pete. Even the 35 1.4, Pete? Is it really that easy to shave the mirror? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
farnz Posted August 10, 2011 Share #15 Posted August 10, 2011 Even the 35 1.4, Pete? Is it really that easy to shave the mirror? Jamie, I regret that I don't have the 35/1.4 so I can't confirm that one:o although I doubt that it would pose an insurmountable problem because the mirror could continue to be shaved until it clears the 35/1.4. I said "easy" but perhaps "straightforward" would be more apt. I'd never handled a Dremel tool before and I wouldn't describe myself as more handy than average with handtools but I found it straightforward enough after initial misgivings followed by teeth-gritting and just camly getting on with it. The instructions I followed talked about using a small file or sandpaper but that seemed to risk unintentionally applying too much pressure to hold the mirror steady - and painfully slow - so I bought a Dremel tool. The trick is to mask-off the lens throat to prevent the bits behind the mirror from the shavings and need for meticulous cleaning. I followed the instruction I found on this website that I found by googling "Canon mirror shave". Unfortunately I note that some of the pictures have disappeared since. Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Roberts Posted August 16, 2011 Share #16 Posted August 16, 2011 {snipped}The trick is to mask-off the lens throat to prevent the bits behind the mirror from the shavings and need for meticulous cleaning. I followed the instruction I found on this website that I found by googling "Canon mirror shave". Unfortunately I note that some of the pictures have disappeared since. Pete. I like the idea of buying an extra mirror and modifying it outside the camera, then having someone else install it.... so maybe that's the route I'll go. One more question--how does this affect your view through the lens? Is there any downside operationally to the um, operation? I wonder how much I'd need to shave off to get both the 19mm Elmarit R and 35mm Lux to fit? I also wonder if Canon themselves would re-install the modified mirror... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dickgrafixstop Posted August 25, 2011 Share #17 Posted August 25, 2011 Your DMR has adequate resolution to print larger than your 20" size. I have routinely printed poster size printsup to 40X60 from 3 meg images by using one of several resolution enhancement software packages - the best of which is Genuine Fractals, but the Corel offering and the extensis offering are also fine. These packages do image interpolation beyond just resampling available in adobe product. Coupled with image manipulation available in the imaging programs you can certainly come up with acceptable quality. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NZDavid Posted August 27, 2011 Share #18 Posted August 27, 2011 X1 with it APS sensor produced a beautiful 16 x 24 and could go larger. M9 should go to poster size plus though I haven't needed to. Sounds like like R9-DMR will do the job. As usual, a superb example by Doug Herr. Looking to the future it depends what kinds of pictures you favor as well as your preferred system (rangefinder or SLR or compact) and how compact it needs to be. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheikhrafiq79 Posted August 27, 2011 Author Share #19 Posted August 27, 2011 i am just worry about my dmr , because there is no more support for this beautiful thing, and still my dmr battery had gone, i am looking solution in my country, somebody change its internal battery and also since i bought my R9+DMR, the internal battery for time/date never worked after removing the dmr battery, i always set date/time every time after recharge , dmr battery, thats not a big problem for me, but support is a problem , still my gears are just like new, i love leica and i compare frequently with new Japanese cameras like nikon dx3 and canon mark 3 , but i could' nt find anything batter in image quality i am talking about only image quality when compare prints only. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NZDavid Posted August 28, 2011 Share #20 Posted August 28, 2011 A shame Leica never produced a digital R. Some rather gorgeous travel pictures with the S2 here: Leica S2 as Travel Camera Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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