Adji.AP Posted July 14, 2011 Share #1 Posted July 14, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hi, I am new to film. Recently using Ektar100 mainly for daylight, outdoor. I am not satisfied with the color it produced, too low contrast and redish. It's just like from expired film, though it is not. I cannot barely using them without any post processing to correct the color using nik, photoshop or other software. I am courious is it caused by wrong choice of film, lens, darkroom processing, or scanning? or wrong exposure perhaps? These are the images, all using M6, nokton classic 35/1.4 SC, ektar100, no filter, no flash. Please judge them ! #1 outdoor, available light #2 outdoor, available light #3 indoor, night, warm neon #4 this one using ND8 filter, the redish tone getting worse Thank you Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted July 14, 2011 Posted July 14, 2011 Hi Adji.AP, Take a look here Wrong film choice, bad processing or bad photographer?. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
Doc Henry Posted July 14, 2011 Share #2 Posted July 14, 2011 Hi Adji, Not easy for photos inside with artificial light difficult to judge : for the first photo, flash? there is a white light. Neon? Which scanner ? I made pictures with Ektar scanned on Epson and Nikon, the pictures are beautiful Best Henry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adji.AP Posted July 14, 2011 Author Share #3 Posted July 14, 2011 forgot to mention, no flash, available light except for image #3 noritsu scanner (lab) please ask as many questions as possible to pin point the problem thank you Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl E Posted July 14, 2011 Share #4 Posted July 14, 2011 Adji Your scans look at lot like mine before I had my M4 shutter adjusted and Leicameter properly calibrated. It seems to me that you may have got the exposure wrong and that it might be the shutter or the meter of your M6 that needs calibration? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted July 14, 2011 Share #5 Posted July 14, 2011 I would suggest that the problem is in the scanning/post processing. It's possible, but less likely that the processing was at fault, and even less likely that the film was a bad batch. Who scanned them? Here's one of your images after two three clicks, white balance and levels - you could get better results with more time: Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/156824-wrong-film-choice-bad-processing-or-bad-photographer/?do=findComment&comment=1733646'>More sharing options...
Adji.AP Posted July 14, 2011 Author Share #6 Posted July 14, 2011 AdjiYour scans look at lot like mine before I had my M4 shutter adjusted and Leicameter properly calibrated. It seems to me that you may have got the exposure wrong and that it might be the shutter or the meter of your M6 that needs calibration? my M6's metering need CLA ? please nooooo ... my B/W photo seems to be okay ... I would more to think it is about 'white balance' character of the ektar? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xmas Posted July 14, 2011 Share #7 Posted July 14, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hi With film you need to look at the negatives, and it is difficult with the negatives complementary color. Film will give a result of sorts with underexposed shadows or blown high lights. You need to see graduation in shadows and high lights otherwise salvage (post processing) is more difficult. Reviewing the histograms is easier if the scanner can see though the dense parts of the negative completely. Normally your SC lens witl pastel colours in high contrast pictures, normally this is nicer. I dont normally photoshop for a screen view Try another cassette, with nicer lighting, until you locate the problem(s).. Noel P.S. A few shots with a grey card might help identify problems, e.g. James processed shot looks a little underexposed, skin tones resonable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted July 14, 2011 Share #8 Posted July 14, 2011 I think that you should try a different film next time, but some further PP work will improve these. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adji.AP Posted July 14, 2011 Author Share #9 Posted July 14, 2011 I would suggest that the problem is in the scanning/post processing. It's possible, but less likely that the processing was at fault, and even less likely that the film was a bad batch. Who scanned them? Here's one of your images after two three clicks, white balance and levels - you could get better results with more time: [ATTACH]267814[/ATTACH] You definitely improve the image. I would love to see this image comes out directly from the scanner, without any adjustment/color correction done in the scanning process. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiZZ Posted July 14, 2011 Share #10 Posted July 14, 2011 The red tone could be from the film base, as a characteristic of Ektar as mentioned above. Your images seem to lack a bit of black. I have a similar issue with my photos when I get them back from the lab. However, it's never been as bad as what you have. Usually I just adjust it by a factor of 3-7 in LightRoom and I get nice clear definitions. Your first image looks underexposed. The rest just look like they're badly calibrated colours. It could just be that this roll of Ektar is bad? Are these all from the same set? Maybe the lab chemicals were off? I'd suggest shooting another kind of color film, with the same ISO and comparing results. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted July 14, 2011 Share #11 Posted July 14, 2011 I'd bet that it's the Ektar and the scanning and the post-processing, not the film processing that's the problem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stealth3kpl Posted July 14, 2011 Share #12 Posted July 14, 2011 I would suggest that the problem is in the scanning/post processing. I agree. These scans don't have the full histogram. Do the negatives look good? Take the negs to another lab and see what they can achieve. Pete Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted July 14, 2011 Share #13 Posted July 14, 2011 You definitely improve the image. I would love to see this image comes out directly from the scanner, without any adjustment/color correction done in the scanning process. Would I be right in thinking that you scanned, but didn't do any post processing to the images shown above? It's just not possible to simply scan a negative and end up with a 'finished' image. PP is essential I'm afraid. Even if your scanner has 'auto' settings you really need to work on the images yourself to get decent results. It was no different in the darkroom. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adji.AP Posted July 14, 2011 Author Share #14 Posted July 14, 2011 Your first image looks underexposed. The rest just look like they're badly calibrated colours. It could just be that this roll of Ektar is bad? Are these all from the same set? Maybe the lab chemicals were off? I'd suggest shooting another kind of color film, with the same ISO and comparing results. 1 & 2 -- same roll 3 & 4 -- another roll all darkroom processing and scanner done within same lab. thank you Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill Posted July 14, 2011 Share #15 Posted July 14, 2011 1&2 just look badly underexposed to me. Regards, Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adji.AP Posted July 14, 2011 Author Share #16 Posted July 14, 2011 Would I be right in thinking that you scanned, but didn't do any post processing to the images shown above? yes correct It's just not possible to simply scan a negative and end up with a 'finished' image. PP is essential I'm afraid. Even if your scanner has 'auto' settings you really need to work on the images yourself to get decent results. It was no different in the darkroom.I partly agree. I always do post processing to a scanned image. It's just the original image doesn't look as natural as I expect, lead me to think that something not right happened here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Henry Posted July 14, 2011 Share #17 Posted July 14, 2011 forgot to mention, no flash, available light except for image #3noritsu scanner (lab) please ask as many questions as possible to pin point the problem thank you Adli, As James said, it's more a problem of post processing. The corrected photo by James proves it. The Noritsu scan laboratory was not set properly in your case ! Photo 4 is overexposed but can be corrected, as the first just a little under-exposed . If you can get home scanner new or used, the pictures are certainly better Look at these threads : http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/film-forum/160651-epson-v700-750-very-good-our.html http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/film-forum/153571-plustek-7600i-se-very-good-money.html You can always correct in post processing an image with a scanner and photo software as Light Room, unless it is really missed Best Henry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alun Posted July 14, 2011 Share #18 Posted July 14, 2011 I agree with James and others -- the likeliest source of the problem is that they are uncorrected scans. I shoot quite a lot of Portra and in my experience the scans need remarkably little correction -- but they do always need some. Some colour neg films require even more. However, Ektar -- according to Roger Hicks -- is very unforgiving as regards exposure: kodak ektar 100 film Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
}{B Posted July 14, 2011 Share #19 Posted July 14, 2011 There is a discussion about the merits of Ektar in this thread - http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/nature-wildlife/143700-first-results-ektar.html - together with a couple of photos from the first roll I used. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted July 14, 2011 Share #20 Posted July 14, 2011 I agree that it is a scanning - color correction / profile issue. See: http://www.digoliardi.net/tmpc.jpg for one correction. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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