mmx_2 Posted July 1, 2011 Share #1 Â Posted July 1, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) Yes, the question is as in the title. I currently posses the Elmarit non ASPH 21mm. The lens needs some service and has no 6bit coding. The question now is should I keep this lens, repair (just some minor stuff, lose hood holder) and have it 6bit coded or should I trade it in for the new Super-Elmar 21? Any thoughts? The performance on the charts seems good for this lens. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ivar B Posted July 1, 2011 Share #2 Â Posted July 1, 2011 Yes, the question is as in the title. I currently posses the Elmarit non ASPH 21mm. The lens needs some service and has no 6bit coding. The question now is should I keep this lens, repair (just some minor stuff, lose hood holder) and have it 6bit coded or should I trade it in for the new Super-Elmar 21? Any thoughts? The performance on the charts seems good for this lens. Â Buy the new one. The costs for servicing and coding the old one will probably not mean a similar increase in value. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
otto.f Posted July 1, 2011 Share #3 Â Posted July 1, 2011 I was never impressed by the Elmarit 21 and my first impressions of the SE 21, after shooting a series with it, are a lot better, especially colour-wise. The sharpness seems just a little bit soft though (for today's standards), a bit like the new Elmarit 28. If the 21 as an angle is your thing, I would very much appreciate its compactness above the Elmarit 21 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted July 1, 2011 Share #4  Posted July 1, 2011 As an undercover salesman of Leica Gmbh my advuce is.... ... to think seriously to the Summilux 21...  ... seriously speaking, and not having nor tested neither or the two... I am well confident that the new will be a better lens, probably worth the loss of half a stop of maximum aperture... but as always the terms of the equation include a factor of pleasure of having a new lens, whose value is not possible to weight into...  - You'll probably will enjoy more your pics taken with the new 21 - You'll not become a better WA photographer thanks to the new 21 - The satisfaction to have a new lens will endure x time - A great picture you took with the old 21 will endure y time surely > x  Let us know your decision... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tobey bilek Posted July 1, 2011 Share #5 Â Posted July 1, 2011 Keep buying new to increase supply of used market. Â Buy every new offering so Leica lens production can never catch up. Â I like my 21 2.8 pre asph, but i use it at 5.6 or 8 usually. The new is probably better at large stops. I am not big on wide lenses, I use 35/50/90 most of the time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosuna Posted July 1, 2011 Share #6 Â Posted July 1, 2011 Anyone knows why Leica made this lens f/3,4, and the 24mm and 18mm are f/3,8? I don't see much sense in that "drop" in speed in the 24mm Elmar lens. Â It is a bit strange... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vertekijker Posted July 1, 2011 Share #7 Â Posted July 1, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) It's on the Leica website: 'The new Leica Super-Elmar-M 21mm f/3.4 ASPH. is a worthy successor to the now legendary Leica Super-Angulon-M 21 mm f/3.4.' Cheers, Frans Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdtaylor Posted July 2, 2011 Share #8  Posted July 2, 2011 As an undercover salesman of Leica Gmbh my advuce is.... ... to think seriously to the Summilux 21...  ... seriously speaking, and not having nor tested neither or the two... I am well confident that the new will be a better lens, probably worth the loss of half a stop of maximum aperture... but as always the terms of the equation include a factor of pleasure of having a new lens, whose value is not possible to weight into...  - You'll probably will enjoy more your pics taken with the new 21 - You'll not become a better WA photographer thanks to the new 21 - The satisfaction to have a new lens will endure x time - A great picture you took with the old 21 will endure y time surely > x  Let us know your decision...  Too funny! I'll keep my 28 EL ASPH. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
otto.f Posted July 2, 2011 Share #9 Â Posted July 2, 2011 Anyone knows why Leica made this lens f/3,4, and the 24mm and 18mm are f/3,8? I don't see much sense in that "drop" in speed in the 24mm Elmar lens. Â It is a bit strange... Â Because, 'yes we can', for that price, which was hitherto impossible or only possible with too much compromises Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted July 2, 2011 Share #10 Â Posted July 2, 2011 ...my first impressions of the SE 21, after shooting a series with it, are a lot better, especially colour-wise. The sharpness seems just a little bit soft though (for today's standards)... I wouldn't have expected such softness given the quality of its MTF charts. Would you have any samples from the Super Elmar 21/3.4 by chance? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
otto.f Posted July 2, 2011 Share #11 Â Posted July 2, 2011 I wouldn't have expected such softness given the quality of its MTF charts. Would you have any samples from the Super Elmar 21/3.4 by chance? Â You wouldn't expect that from the 28's Elmarit and Summicron either if you study the MTF's of these lenses, I still see a big difference in character, which is not a matter of quality but of taste. This is probably due to the relation contrast/resolution Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted July 2, 2011 Share #12 Â Posted July 2, 2011 The Elmarit 28 asph is a bit more contrasty with a slightly sharper bokeh than the Summicron 28 but none of them is soft in any way in my experience. Do you mean that the 21/3.4 fingerprint is closer to that of the Summicron? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chimray Posted July 2, 2011 Share #13 Â Posted July 2, 2011 I wouldn't have expected such softness given the quality of its MTF charts. Would you have any samples from the Super Elmar 21/3.4 by chance? Â Heard Leica need to recall those new super elmar as focus have problemn! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeicaPassion Posted July 2, 2011 Share #14 Â Posted July 2, 2011 LFI (July) states: "It is in fact the case that the detail reproduction of the Super-Elmar-M Asph, even with maximum aperture, is better than that of the Elmarit-M Asph with f-stop 5.6 or 8. This applies to the borders as well as the centre and field zones of the picture." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jplomley Posted July 2, 2011 Share #15 Â Posted July 2, 2011 LFI (July) states: "It is in fact the case that the detail reproduction of the Super-Elmar-M Asph, even with maximum aperture, is better than that of the Elmarit-M Asph with f-stop 5.6 or 8. This applies to the borders as well as the centre and field zones of the picture." Â I'm sitting here looking at a 20x30 inch print made with the M9 and 21/2.8 Elmarit Aspherical. Would the new version improve the quality of the image. I highly doubt it. The Elmarit is bitingly crisp at all apertures. I see no difference between 2.8 and 5.6, but I did have it adjusted by Leica along with all my other glass to ensure I was getting optimal performance out of the system. I believe this is an absolute requirement with either the M8 or M9 as there are just too many calibration issues coming out of the factory. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted July 2, 2011 Share #16 Â Posted July 2, 2011 Heard Leica need to recall those new super elmar as focus have problemn! Â I heard that too. Â I would wait until they come back on the market again before deciding to buy one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosuna Posted July 2, 2011 Share #17 Â Posted July 2, 2011 Yes, I was told the same this morning... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chimray Posted July 2, 2011 Share #18 Â Posted July 2, 2011 I heard that too. Â I would wait until they come back on the market again before deciding to buy one. Â Me too ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpmckenzie Posted July 2, 2011 Share #19 Â Posted July 2, 2011 has anybody bought one yet, i hope it is as well received as the 24mm f3.8 elmar at least by me, i don't know if making marketing the lens against the super angulon was a good idea,what are the expectations going to be,i hope they are able to bump up lens manufacturing soon,i feel they are losing out,to the high dollar used market,good luck leica Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecar Posted July 2, 2011 Share #20 Â Posted July 2, 2011 Heard Leica need to recall those new super elmar as focus have problemn! It seems that focussing was stiffer than expected on the first batch. But apparently only with digital cameras, not with film ones. Odd... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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