abrewer Posted February 7, 2007 Share #1  Posted February 7, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) I have two important bits of news to share:  First is the impending introduction of Adobe Lightroom in its final production release later this month (Feb. 25th). You can pre-order a copy of the software (which we've discussed frequently here) for US $199 or Euro 199. If you follow the exchange rate you can see that those of us on this side of the pond are getting a bargain!  Adobe  BTW, the price goes up April 30th to its regular US $299 retail. So hurry now to get yours at the discount of one third off.  Second, is Luminous Landscape's High-Resolution Video Lightroom v1.0 Tutorial featuring Michael Reichmann and Jeff Schewe. The video is downloadable in installments, the first of which is available now. The price of the download is $12 until Feb. 25th, when it goes to its normal price of $14.95.  Luminous Landscape Lightroom v1.0 Tutorial  Thanks.  Allan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandokan Posted February 7, 2007 Share #2 Â Posted February 7, 2007 Thanks Allan. If it was $99 I would buy immediately but I do not know if it is worth $199 to me? I have iPhoto which also sorts my photos & gives me a some adjustments and PS which does everything. Â What do you (or other people) do with Lightroom that makes it worth it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
abrewer Posted February 7, 2007 Author Share #3 Â Posted February 7, 2007 Hi Ravi. Â To me, Lightroom offers two big advantages: Â The ability to process multiple images with a common exposure/color correction/ contrast very quickly and with minimal file size storage. Â The display options i.e. digital display slideshow directly from the computer and Flash web slideshow. Â Just the ability to create Flash slideshows for a website, without having to tinker with the Flash code itself, is a great new feature. Â Perhaps others can chime in here on how useful they find the software as opposed to the current Photoshop products. Â Thanks. Â Allan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Englander Posted February 7, 2007 Share #4 Â Posted February 7, 2007 Allan touched lightly on one of the biggest issues: disk space. Both Aperture and LR do not make multiple copies of your files. If you look at what iPhoto is doing, you probably have two or three full-sized copies of the same files buried in your hard drive. AP and LR just write small instruction files without creating new files until you want to output them to Photoshop or some other application. C1 is also a disk-hog, for that matter. If you only have a few files and think you will only have a limited number in the future, then you are ok with iPhoto and other programs that constantly make complete duplicates (not really back-ups, though) of existing files; on the other hand, if you are going to be making a lot of images having all those duplications is going to eat your hard drive alive. Â I haven't bought LR yet. But as I mentioned on another thread, purchase seems likely because it is the only heavy weight program than handles Leica DMR and M8 DNGs as well as most other digital file formats. Right now, except for some of the loupe capabilities, LR seems to be doing everything Aperture does. Â Joe Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shootist Posted February 7, 2007 Share #5 Â Posted February 7, 2007 I have a question. I already have PS CS2 and plan on getting CS3 when it becomes available, I am running the CS3 beta on a secondary system. I also have C1LE, which I really don't care for, to process M8 files, sometimes (I try to use ACR 3.6 or 4 (included with Bridge/CS3)). Would it be a good idea to have both Lightroom/Bridge/CS3 or just wait for the release of CS3. I really want something different, and hopefully better then C1LE, for working with M8 DNG files. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
carstenw Posted February 7, 2007 Share #6 Â Posted February 7, 2007 Two things which Lightroom does not do as well as Aperture yet are versions, and EXIF searches. At least, not in the betas, that I can see. If anyone knows any way of doing either of these, I would love to hear about it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Photoskeptic Posted February 7, 2007 Share #7 Â Posted February 7, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) Allan, sorry I'm a bit behind the curve here. I really haven't paid any attention to all the new software that is out. But since an M8 purchase is imminent... Are you telling me that Lightroom will process the M8 DNG files but CS2 will not? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WPalank Posted February 7, 2007 Share #8  Posted February 7, 2007 Are you telling me that Lightroom will process the M8 DNG files but CS2 will not? CS2, CS3 and Light Room all process M8 files (DNG) and JPEG for that matter. Just make sure you have the latest version of ACR (with CS3 it is a non-issue as the Beta is the latest). Adobe Camera RAW for CS2 should be version 3.6. If that is not so, you can download the latest version here: http://www.adobe.com/products/photoshop/cameraraw.html  Also, for those of you who are on the fence about purchasing Light Room, it is still available as a FREE download as a Public Beta here: http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/lightroom/  Take it for a spin for free!  The only other advice I might give to those who feel all this software is a bit daunting or who are just moving from the film to the digital realm is to join NAPP (The National Association of Photoshop Professionals). The name sounds a bit confusing, but you can be a Beginner (you don't have to be a professional). For $90 dollars a year you get 10 well made magazines and they are just about to launch the Dark Room magazine for Light Room only. This will be free to NAPP members. There are all sorts of beginner tutorials as well as VERY advanced ones on the website covering Photoshop and Light Room. You also get free shipping from B&H along with all sorts of discounts form the photographic world so it pays for itself in no-time! Also, they have a Help-Desk where you can submit problems you are having with PS and they promise a return e-mail within 24 hours. I could go on.... [i do not work for NAPP, I have just found them to be an invaluable resource.] Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted February 7, 2007 Share #9 Â Posted February 7, 2007 Aperture still does nothing for most Leica users... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted February 7, 2007 Share #10 Â Posted February 7, 2007 Allan, sorry I'm a bit behind the curve here. I really haven't paid any attention to all the new software that is out. But since an M8 purchase is imminent... Are you telling me that Lightroom will process the M8 DNG files but CS2 will not? Â CS2 does (via Adobe Camera Raw) Â CS3 does (ditto, but better) Â Lightroom does (internally, but probably the same engine) Â IMHO, there is a place for both Lightroom AND CS3 Â (Memo to self - buy some Adobe shares... ) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
spylaw4 Posted February 7, 2007 Share #11 Â Posted February 7, 2007 Two things which Lightroom does not do as well as Aperture yet are versions, and EXIF searches. At least, not in the betas, that I can see. If anyone knows any way of doing either of these, I would love to hear about it. Â I think I read/saw somewhere that LR V1 can do versions and the searches are improved over the Betas. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
carstenw Posted February 7, 2007 Share #12 Â Posted February 7, 2007 Okay, if Lightroom has versions, proper EXIF searches, and better magenta/skin handling with the M8, I have found my software. I always liked it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
spylaw4 Posted February 8, 2007 Share #13 Â Posted February 8, 2007 Carsten, Don't know about the magenta stuff but perhaps if you take a look at the videos here in NAPP , it might answer you questions re versions (=virtual copies?) and EXIF sorting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill W Posted February 8, 2007 Share #14 Â Posted February 8, 2007 I have used the beta versions of Lightroom since they came out. If you do not want to spend the $ on CS2 or 3 if you have not already then LR is certainly the way to go. It is "focused" on photographers where CS2/3 go beyone that into graphic arts. I have CS2 but will probably upgrade my beta LR to the retail version. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Englander Posted February 8, 2007 Share #15 Â Posted February 8, 2007 LR v1 does have EXIF sorting/searching and versions. They waited for the real product to put the icing on the cake. The only thing that Aperture seems to have is the ability to use the loupe on thumbnails; but LR v1 will open 100% views very very quickly. There will be a new "try it" of LR v1 (not beta) available the middle of this month. But I think all the links to videos and tutorials from the Adobe Photoshop LIghtroom page answer a lot of questions. Â Joe Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmr Posted February 8, 2007 Share #16 Â Posted February 8, 2007 Guys, Â just saw this on TOP about free tutorials http://theonlinephotographer.blogspot.com/2007/02/free-lightroom-tutorials.html Sorry if it's old news. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandokan Posted February 24, 2007 Share #17  Posted February 24, 2007 Dear Allan and John,  I followed the tutorials at Adobe Photoshop Lightroom Tutorials by Michael Tapes  and LR does do alot more useful stuff than iPhoto - so I bought it. Now I just have to wait for my DMR to arrive and make full use of it - oh yes, and also a new Mac laptop as mine is fully used by the wife every eve.  Thanks  Ravi Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted February 24, 2007 Share #18 Â Posted February 24, 2007 I got Lightroom for free since they bought Raw premium and offered Lightroom for free to current users of RP. I am still going back and forth with C1 ,Lightroom and the Aperture hack for the M8. There all nice programs but are still in flux with Aperture and C1 coming with version 4.0. I like them all but still playing around until the dust settles on some of them. But LR looks very good and some nice results too, I just can't give up on C1 since it does a nice job but it needs Lightroom and Aperture cataloging and some up todate controls. Best advice find what is comfortable to your working style and results but try them all there are demo's on all three Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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