stunsworth Posted June 23, 2011 Share #101 Posted June 23, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) Ohhh, this line of thinking is soooooooooooo 2010. More pixels will come, pixel pitch will get smaller, and noise will get less and less. And photons? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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luigi bertolotti Posted June 23, 2011 Share #102 Posted June 23, 2011 Why is that? I think if Leica wants to stand out in the mirrorless crowd, they NEED to make the lenses for their new system better than the M-line. As things stand now, photographers would buy a Leica mirrorless for the glass, not the electronics. The new lenses will have an excellent selling point if they yield very high resolution which would make them future proof, anticipating the 50 - 100 MP sensors that could very well be available in the near future. (please don't start another I don't need xxx MP discussion) That's a bit out of target... M lenses are for FF, which probably the "NEW" won't be... but surely the lenses' set will be a critical issue... as above said, they probably can't afford a 3rd production line inside... but anyone knows that the present "Leica" lenses on Panasonics are simply a branding... they must do "something different" also on this side if they want to position in a certain way the camera (and to price it accordingly)... not easy task... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
janki Posted June 23, 2011 Share #103 Posted June 23, 2011 It's nice to hear from Leica themselves that they actually work with a complete new compact camera system. Basically, this seems like a really interesting camera-system. But the most important in terms of Leica for me, is of course the quality of the lenses. Regardless of the sensor size of APS-C or possibly larger, which is chosen for this camera system, I expect that there will be no compromises on quality either optical or mechanical. I hope it is possible to achieve as good corner quality in the images through the use of wide-angle lenses in this system, which one has managed to achieve in the S2 system. I take for granted that this new series of lenses will have AF and so-called weather sealing. If Leica through this system also will offer a series of lenses at least equivalent to 20 - 300mm FF + a couple of zooms and a macro lens, so I think we will have a success. Panasonic has also recently confirmed that they are developing a so-called professionally camera system. It may also indicate that they are working to develop larger sensors. I do not know if a camera system based on a Micro-Four-Thirds sensor, ever, almost by definition, can be called professional. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmradman Posted June 23, 2011 Share #104 Posted June 23, 2011 I do not know if a camera system based on a Micro-Four-Thirds sensor, ever, almost by definition, can be called professional. Maybe Micro Professional. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterv Posted June 23, 2011 Share #105 Posted June 23, 2011 And photons? There'll always be photons Steve, I'm just saying I believe in the coming years we'll inevitably see more pixels and less noise. But that's not the discussion here, as far as I'm concerned. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pop Posted June 23, 2011 Share #106 Posted June 23, 2011 I do not know if a camera system based on a Micro-Four-Thirds sensor, ever, almost by definition, can be called professional. I agree. Most professionals might know that there is no such thing as a micro-four-thirds sensor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert_parker Posted June 23, 2011 Share #107 Posted June 23, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) The biggest danger is if you don't fill a market segment for fear of diluting your own market, someone will come and fill it for you - and take your market share that way. Hence the X100 where there should be a nice downmarket M (or 'C' ?) to dominate the gap. Similarly a good high spec reflex that can take R lenses is long overdue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted June 23, 2011 Share #108 Posted June 23, 2011 pop! Harvey from magnum uses his GF1 quite extensively a lot of his magnum mates use olys or the GF1 so there is a flow on to the industry............ four thirds stuff in Nat Geo stories these days ........ due to the simplicity (aperture priority), ease of use and great jpegs many a money earning photographer finds the four thirds great for that quick info shot or even the final product. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NZDavid Posted June 24, 2011 Share #109 Posted June 24, 2011 Of course it will//would be AF so won't compete directly with the M. If APS there's the whole issue of AF speed but if it performs the same as its competitors it should sell well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
zlatkob Posted June 24, 2011 Share #110 Posted June 24, 2011 Interesting! There was a thread 2 years ago in which there were numerous arguments for why a new compact Leica with interchangeable autofocus lenses was a "pipe dream" and "something that would never happen". The error then was to describe it as an "autofocus M", because manual focus is the whole point of the rangefinder mechanism. However, the concept of a small high quality interchangeable lens autofocus camera made by Leica was probably close. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
zlatkob Posted June 24, 2011 Share #111 Posted June 24, 2011 pop! Harvey from magnum uses his GF1 quite extensively a lot of his magnum mates use olys or the GF1 so there is a flow on to the industry............ four thirds stuff in Nat Geo stories these days... . Hmmm, I wonder why he would go for the viewfinderless GF1 instead of the version with an electronic viewfinder (G1, G2)? Maybe wanting it to be really small? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted June 24, 2011 Share #112 Posted June 24, 2011 Loves the feel of the camera and using a small 35 VF reckons it is a nice way to shoot. Last time I chatted with David he was using the GF1 as his walk around every day camera....... and a iphone. See the playing field is shifting. I am convinced, though I do use the pana LVF as I like to shoot chest height in may circumstances. The GF1 and 20mm lens combo is one of the best outfits out there Pana soaked a lot of info about glass from leica. Not sure about the new 25 it is a bit bigger lens but then there is a step back/forward in the focal length. I tried the X1 and X100 extensively but preferred the baby pana, sure we can play the low light/noise game but that is minor as far as photography is concerned (yea I know it is important to cameraphiles) Leica just needs to produce a quick AF unit and it will claw those photographers that went to panny back........ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted June 24, 2011 Share #113 Posted June 24, 2011 ps we can always buy a iphone and download a "Leica Look" app Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruhayat Posted June 24, 2011 Share #114 Posted June 24, 2011 ps we can always buy a iphone and download a "Leica Look" app Haha. That is quite true. In fact, one of these days someone might just design a fixed lens 28mm device, with built-in software filters to mimic longer focal lengths. So you can shoot and get the 50, 75, 90 or tele look without having to change lenses at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdai Posted June 24, 2011 Share #115 Posted June 24, 2011 It's fun to read these rampant speculation all over again ... there's more than a year to go. Things could happen, change or not. It seems that Dr. Kaufmann also realized it's a stretch even for Canon to develop 2 cocurrent systems, why would Leica bother with a 4th system? Aren't their 3 current systems selling good enough? Just do a lens interchangeable X2, many folks will buy it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pop Posted June 24, 2011 Share #116 Posted June 24, 2011 Interesting! There was ... a thread 2 years ago in which there were numerous arguments for why a new compact Leica with interchangeable autofocus lenses was a "pipe dream" and "something that would never happen". The error then was to describe it as an "autofocus M" .. The thread was indeed about an M type camera and not an altogether different kind. The sentiment expressed quite often in that thread was that the M series was not particularly well suited for a new line of EVIL cameras. As far as I recall no one seemed to mind an entirely new line of cameras, as long as the M line remained available. ps we can always buy a iphone and download a "Leica Look" app Now, there's an idea. Apple could sell an iPhone with displays on both sides. The front side could then show an image of the front side of an M2. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted June 24, 2011 Share #117 Posted June 24, 2011 hipstamatic buggerallamatic, instamatic leicamatic ........all image apps:p Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250swb Posted June 24, 2011 Share #118 Posted June 24, 2011 Panasonic doesn’t manufacture APS-C sensors and has no need for larger sensors (larger than FourThirds). This would be a huge R&D effort for Panasonic for no obvious benefit. The irony being that according DPReview at least (and I have no reason to disbelieve them) the latest Panasonic m4/3 sensor is as good as any APS-C sensor out there today. So Leica would be abandoning a technology leading partner with off the shelf solutions for what? Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted June 24, 2011 Share #119 Posted June 24, 2011 For less DoF, less noise and faster wides? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted June 24, 2011 Share #120 Posted June 24, 2011 and less money left in your account Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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