AlanG Posted August 28, 2011 Share #261 Posted August 28, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) If in 2011 one can easily shake such photographs out of the hand without effort with a 79 year old lens and an older, technically more limited digital M body, what can a skilled user do in 79 years with a 75 Summicron APO and any Leica M body with features of 1960 or 2011? Skilled photographers have shot great images with wet plates and all kinds of cameras. I see this as a discussion about technology and not about photography. These new compact interchangeable lens cameras exemplify what can be done with the latest technology. I can't see Leica saying that the M9 and current lenses are "good enough"and won't be developed further as they watch the competition pass them by. There are various ways the camera can be further developed. I bet it is difficult and expensive for Leica to achieve the required precision and quality consistency via the mechanical focusing linkage. This could be improved and simplified via an electronic linkage. A benefit will be that one probably won't need to send lenses and bodies off for calibration. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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rosuna Posted August 28, 2011 Share #262 Posted August 28, 2011 The idea of incorporating electronic contacts to the M mount is for the new "Compact interchangeable lens camera", and the purpose is to control AF lenses. A different thing is the classical rangefinder camera, like the M9. This class of cameras may keep the simpler mount, without electronic contacts (excluding the use of AF lenses on classical bodies), for a while. Using the same physical mount allows for some degree of compatibility between the "new" system and the classic one, but even full compatibility if the format is 24x36 and the electronic contacts are in the two systems. Leica may increase that integration step by step. The basic parameters are the mount's specifications and the format (if they plan to develop AF lenses for the new camera). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted August 28, 2011 Share #263 Posted August 28, 2011 Why would Leica use the venerable M mount for the new system when it doesn’t fulfill the requirements as is? If they should decide against the M mount they could use an even shorter flange distance (as is customary for EVIL systems nowadays), build a smaller camera, and provide M lens compatibility with an adapter that reads the 6 bit code and transmits it to the body (electronically of course). There is no downside to an adapter solution. The M10, on the other hand, could still get live view (as an option for those who want that) without changing the mount. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted August 28, 2011 Share #264 Posted August 28, 2011 This would require a completely new line of lenses instead of a couple of AF zooms complementing M lenses as is or with some electric contacts if any. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted August 28, 2011 Share #265 Posted August 28, 2011 This would require a completely new line of lenses instead of a couple of AF zooms complementing M lenses as is or with some electric contacts if any. Yes, it would require a new line of AF lenses. The new system wouldn’t make much sense without that. M compatibility would just be an added bonus and I suppose the new system will be targeted at photographers who might never buy an M lens. Conversely, M photographers had no use for AF zooms. Leica pretty much owns the digital rangefinder market; why should they create another system targeting the same market, rather than creating something appealing to a wider audience beyond the established rangefinder market? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted August 28, 2011 Share #266 Posted August 28, 2011 Yes, it would require a new line of AF lenses. The new system wouldn’t make much sense without that... I'm not an armchair CEO, Michael, but i seem to recall what Stefan Daniel said in his last interview in Paris: Leica has two lines of lenses already, M and S, developping a third one would be "complicated". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted August 28, 2011 Share #267 Posted August 28, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) i seem to recall what Stefan Daniel said in his last interview in Paris: Leica has two lines of lenses already, M and S, developping a third one would be "complicated". That was about Leica’s decision not to join the Micro-FourThirds consortium, wasn’t it? A new system needs new lenses; I don’t see a way around that fact. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted August 28, 2011 Share #268 Posted August 28, 2011 A new system can use the same mount, Nikon did it why not Leica. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry_R Posted August 28, 2011 Share #269 Posted August 28, 2011 Let size and weight of lenses remain the same!!! If someone needs EXACT aperture - Leica can make possible via firmware to set its value in menu - like in RICOH M module. Guys, when I joined Leica world - I was missing so many. After getting used to, I feel free. LV/EVF - nice to have, helpful, yes. But let rangefinder remain rangefinder. Let M lenses remain M lenses. If someone needs full control, options, possibilities - S or new coming mirrorless probably can give that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ho_co Posted August 29, 2011 Share #270 Posted August 29, 2011 If you add electronics, it's no longer an M mount. Seems to me the M will be continued with the M10. AF etc will arise in the space we're talking about--a new mirrorless camera with auto everything, in shared development between Leica and another manufacturer. Done right (doesn't Leica always do right? ), the mount will allow use of M and R lenses by means of an adapter. Heavens, micro Four Thirds already allows that; so does the Sony NEX; so does the Ricoh GXR with M mount attachment. For a number of us here, it's obvious that a camera with a snazzy new lensmount won't be an M camera. Product families: S-line + M-line + ??-line + X-line + D-line. First and second are totally Leica; third and fourth are mainly Leica; fifth is slightly Leica. Second is basically manual with auto exposure; others are fully automatic. First, second and third have interchangeable lenses; fourth and fifth are point-n-shoot. Or am I missing something? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted August 29, 2011 Share #271 Posted August 29, 2011 I assumed that the new camera would be a replacement for the X1, but with interchangeable lenses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jankap Posted August 29, 2011 Share #272 Posted August 29, 2011 With the announcement of the X100 I expected, that Leica would have the name rights for X1 to X99. But now a Fuji X10 is announced(?!). Jan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsrockit Posted August 29, 2011 Share #273 Posted August 29, 2011 With the announcement of the X100 I expected, that Leica would have the name rights for X1 to X99. But now a Fuji X10 is announced(?!). Jan Could be that Leica will abandon the X name altogether. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted August 29, 2011 Share #274 Posted August 29, 2011 But now a Fuji X10 is announced(?!). Not yet (but maybe on Thursday …). There are only so many letters in the alphabet and there was both a Canon D60 and (six years later) a Nikon D60, for example. Anyway, I wouldn’t be surprised if Leica would introduce both a fixed-lens X2 and the new EVIL system. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry_R Posted August 29, 2011 Share #275 Posted August 29, 2011 Michael, do recent rumors say - that we should forget Sony as potential sensor provider? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
berndr Posted August 30, 2011 Share #276 Posted August 30, 2011 Michael,do recent rumors say - that we should forget Sony as potential sensor provider? I'm with you. I think we will see a Kodak solution like this: Some interesting thoughts on the Leica M10 (29MP sensor, hybrid viewfinder, live view, video recording, MAESTRO processor?) | Leica News & Rumors Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosuna Posted August 30, 2011 Share #277 Posted August 30, 2011 The Ms are reportage cameras. If Leica is able to make a choice, I would prefer dynamic range over resolution. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted August 30, 2011 Share #278 Posted August 30, 2011 I think we will see a Kodak solution like this: Some interesting thoughts on the Leica M10 (29MP sensor, hybrid viewfinder, live view, video recording, MAESTRO processor?) | Leica News & Rumors No, we won’t. Any M-related rumour involving a 36 x 24 mm Kodak sensor of the KAI range can be safely discarded. These line of sensors has never been used for anything but industrial and scientific applications, not for photography as we know it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted August 30, 2011 Share #279 Posted August 30, 2011 do recent rumors say - that we should forget Sony as potential sensor provider? No, we definitely shouldn’t. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterv Posted August 31, 2011 Share #280 Posted August 31, 2011 I was wondering, since Sony disclosed the E-mount specifications wouldn't that be an option for a Leica ILC-mount? Or would that become problematic concerning Leica-Panasonic and Sony-Zeiss business relations? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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