joachim2 Posted June 26, 2011 Share #141 Posted June 26, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) Zu #1 Leica to launch new compact system in 2012 - British Journal of Photography See also 43rumors.com of June 22 2o11: "Leica will announce a mirrorless system at Photokina 2012. It will use a built-in EVF ..." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ziggurat Posted June 26, 2011 Share #142 Posted June 26, 2011 If LFI is bought over is there any other journal covering Leica? I often wish LFI would cover more third party articles, Voigt and Zeiss etc Regards Johnny Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted June 26, 2011 Share #143 Posted June 26, 2011 All discussion points to the fundamental changes to to the M Leica Rangefinder, and such would occur, I will after over fifty years cease purchase and interest in the M. Today I still use the Leica M from model M4 to M9, and obsolete Linhoff Super Technika (a RF camera) WWII Super Ikontas (also RF cameras). The last damned thing I need is a Leica M that is not really an M, but some kind of after-the-exposure focus gizmo. I want the simple objective of showing what I was focusing upon. Making a pint. Leaving the digital manics to their own devices. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted June 26, 2011 Share #144 Posted June 26, 2011 All discussion points to the fundamental changes to to the M Leica Rangefinder Not at all. This thread is about a new system; the M system will continue to exist. I trust there will be substantial development within the M system, but it won’t change its character as a rangefinder system. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted June 30, 2011 Share #145 Posted June 30, 2011 It could be named X2 if the form factor is similar...even if there is an EVIL... after all, it would be someway the same they did around 80 years ago with Leica I (fixed lens, attached VF) and, then, Leica II (interchangable lens and "integrated" VF) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted June 30, 2011 Share #146 Posted June 30, 2011 Yes exactly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Reading Posted June 30, 2011 Share #147 Posted June 30, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) It should be called the CL-D Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted June 30, 2011 Share #148 Posted June 30, 2011 It could be named X2 What would the successor of the X1 be called then? Since the X1 is a compact camera it is unlikely that a new camera system would share the same designation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adan Posted July 1, 2011 Share #149 Posted July 1, 2011 I don't see any contradiction in developing the X-1 into several different "X" cameras based on the same underlying sensor style and electronics. In fact, I've always assumed the X-1 was a technology-development platform - an "S2" from the bottom up rather than top down. Panasonic has G cameras with built-in EVFs - and G cameras without built-in EVFs. They didn't have to come up with a new initial letter when adding the non-EVF GF-1 to the existing EVF GH-1/2. Or take the "Digilux" designation, which was developed over several rather different camera styles, including the addition of IC lenses and a quadrupling of the sensor area in the Digilux 3. I would not be surprised to see the X-1 (fixed single focal length), an X-2 (fixed zoom), and an X-3 (interchangeable lenses, eye-level EVF). X-1v/X-2v would add Panasonic-style connections for an optional EVF as well as any other developments within their niches. If the interchangeable-lens version has a flange-sensor distance under 27mm (and, as Michael says, why would it be longer?) - it will take M lenses (and R) - whether Leica mentions it or not. Anyone with a machine shop (Novoflex, Fotodiox) will be able to produce M-to-X and R-to-X adapters. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoppyman Posted July 1, 2011 Share #150 Posted July 1, 2011 I recall after the very understandable disappointment from the R10 cancellation that Leica Camera commented that they would no longer discuss possible future products systems until they were close to release. In light of that I was really surprised to read these comments (really just broad ideas) by Dr Kaufmann now. Of course it is his company and he is entitled to do whatever he wants! Maybe this thread will set a record for longevity and size then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted July 1, 2011 Share #151 Posted July 1, 2011 It should be called the CL-D That's also could be a good choice Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted July 1, 2011 Share #152 Posted July 1, 2011 I don't see any contradiction in developing the X-1 into several different "X" cameras based on the same underlying sensor style and electronics. In fact, I've always assumed the X-1 was a technology-development platform - an "S2" from the bottom up rather than top down. We don’t really know whether the new system will be based around an APS-C sensor. And as to the electronics … wasn’t the S2 supposed to be the technology platform? I don’t see the X1 filling that role. It was certainly never touted as such. Panasonic has G cameras with built-in EVFs - and G cameras without built-in EVFs. Only we aren’t talking about cameras with built-in EVFs vs. those with optional EVFs, both belonging to the same system, but about the much more fundamental distinction between a compact camera and a camera system. Or take the "Digilux" designation, which was developed over several rather different camera styles, including the addition of IC lenses and a quadrupling of the sensor area in the Digilux 3. These are all Panasonic models with their own native designations; Leica had to come up with a naming scheme avoiding a proliferation of different designations with maybe just one model per letter – you would use up the alphabet pretty quickly that way. As a result a ‘Digilux’ could really be anything; you would only be sure it was the current top-of-the-line offering of those Leica models built by Panasonic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sblitz Posted July 1, 2011 Share #153 Posted July 1, 2011 could the new leica be a rebadged panasonic g3? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted July 1, 2011 Share #154 Posted July 1, 2011 could the new leica be a rebadged panasonic g3? No Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sblitz Posted July 1, 2011 Share #155 Posted July 1, 2011 No you don't think, don't want to think so, or know. I am with you in terms of believing this will be a Leica through and through, and believe it could be a real game changer in terms of their position in the professional camera world. But I don't know that to be true, and reading the specs on the G3 makes me wonder whether the 2012 Leica will be a derivative of that camera. Hope you are right, because if it is as hoped I would definitely buy it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted July 1, 2011 Share #156 Posted July 1, 2011 Leica have said that the camera will have at least an APS-C sized sensor. That rules out the possibility of the Panasonic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted July 1, 2011 Share #157 Posted July 1, 2011 [... snip good article ...]If the interchangeable-lens version has a flange-sensor distance under 27mm (and, as Michael says, why would it be longer?) - it will take M lenses (and R) - whether Leica mentions it or not. Anyone with a machine shop (Novoflex, Fotodiox) will be able to produce M-to-X and R-to-X adapters. There had better be some vast improvement of the focus over the Lumix G* system of manual focusing. With manual lenses, one usually has to focus wide-open (or nearly), then use the Zoom feature of the finder to make exact focus, then unzoom (optional) but stop down manually for the final shot. This is so difficult with the Lumix G* because the zoom is part of the wheel which is tiny, is right against one's face (when focusing through viewfinder). It is horrible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
menos I M6 Posted July 2, 2011 Share #158 Posted July 2, 2011 This quote from the article is interesting (although potentially just lost in translation, as other bits of the article): "Both executives declined to provide more details about the new system, but hinted that the electronic viewfinder used will depend on the sensor selected. " This makes for happy fantasizing for a different take on Ricoh's GXR system, a shrinkage of common designs in MF or an design extension of the venerable DMR into a smaller system. Now fantasize further in the new system having a modified M-mount (still compatible with MF M lenses), and give possibility of an exchangeable sensor, making potentially possible a full frame sensor for the new system … Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted July 2, 2011 Author Share #159 Posted July 2, 2011 This will be a Leica, just as the X1 is, not a Panasonic. It will probably be made in the same factory as the X1, with the same partners. The chances of either some kind of DMR bastard-offspring, or exchangeable sensors is zero, IMHO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbretteville Posted July 4, 2011 Share #160 Posted July 4, 2011 "Both executives declined to provide more details about the new system, but hinted that the electronic viewfinder used will depend on the sensor selected. " This refers to the sensor Leica selects for the camera. A CMOS or a CCD, manufactured by Kodak, Panasonic, Sony, etc, etc. Nothing else. Carl Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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