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Thanks again, yes i will check thoroughly, unfortunately private = no warranty http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/images/smilies/frown.gif

 

I bought mine which was moderately good for £1700, but just after three days of buying I faced the shutter failure.

 

But luckily for me I bought it from a well-known dealer with a warranty and it saved me lot frustrations

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Boss,

I believe you forgot one more reason, namely the 1.33 crop actually improves the rendition of your lenses because it leaves out the outer zones that are generally weaker than center. So make it 17.5 reasons... :)

 

Cheers

Bruno

 

Try saying that in the M9 forum ;)

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Hi! Yes a nice article and makes some important points, and the M8 does take great photos and is a rangefinder (with all what that entails regarding photographic approach and pleasure). However you didn´t mention the expense of repairing one should something go wrong (and according to the forum, and as much as i wished they didn´t, things do)

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Hi! Yes a nice article and makes some important points, and the M8 does take great photos and is a rangefinder (with all what that entails regarding photographic approach and pleasure). However you didn´t mention the expense of repairing one should something go wrong (and according to the forum, and as much as i wished they didn´t, things do)

 

Well, like anything complicated, things can break - and if it's no longer under warranty, could get expensive. But then, that's like driving a Ferrari and complaining about the gas mileage. :p

 

I'd have mentioned it, but my M8 has been solid for 2.5 years now (and I got it used after the original owner had it likely since launch)... So don't have much experience with it... Thankfully.

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Is buying a 4-5 year old M8 still a viable choice?

and are 7000 accuations a lot?

 

Yes - if the M8 supports your way of photografy. When I compare with more than 20 000 frames from my D700 with a few thousand pics with a used M8 I bought - the output are comparable except for low light. But for me - I find that I bring the DSLR or the Rangfinder to different events. They complement each other nicely.:rolleyes:

 

The files are fine if you are comfortable with less of a "speed machine" and like the core values of Leica!

 

And No - 7000 must be considered as low. The faster you run the shutter to end of life - the more picture you will have on your hard drives. The camera is well worth a shutter replacement if needed an this gives a renewed Leica factory garantie.

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Still very viable. I still shoot stories on my M8 that are published by the likes of the BBC/Times and Guardian.

 

In fact I'd hedge a bet and say that most wouldn't even be able to tell the difference between the M8 and M9.

 

With the advancement of software like LR and Nik Software's offering, even the dreaded noise issue is slowly being handled. Shooting at 1200 use to be scary but now it's actually decent.

 

I've still yet to feel the need to upgrade to the M9, which is good :)

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Still very viable. I still shoot stories on my M8 that are published by the likes of the BBC/Times and Guardian.

 

In fact I'd hedge a bet and say that most wouldn't even be able to tell the difference between the M8 and M9.

 

With the advancement of software like LR and Nik Software's offering, even the dreaded noise issue is slowly being handled. Shooting at 1200 use to be scary but now it's actually decent.

 

I've still yet to feel the need to upgrade to the M9, which is good :)

 

I agree - also the new firmware for this "old product" must be considered as an comittment from Leica. The camera got quicker to handle and added compability to a new lens.

 

It seems to me that this old product will be around for a long time still :D

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A (D)SLR has the mirror mechanism which the rangefinder camera obviously don't have. Plus the leverages governing the lenses aperture and the autofocus motor. As Henry Ford used to say, all that is not there can't break. Hence my assumption of greater reliability on a theoretical basis. ;)

 

Cheers

Bruno

 

 

That's largely irrelevant, Canon DSLRs don't go out of adjustment in the same way that Leica RFs do and whereas M9 owners go on about the benefit of the extended warranty that comes with an M9P upgrade I can't imagine Canon DSLR owners ever being concerned about warranty periods. My Canon shutter is rated at 150,000 actuations Leica won't tell you how long the M8/9 shutter is supposed to last. I think that's one of the issues with Leica charging so much for an M9. I know I can buy an Miii or an MP and expect my grandkids to be using it 100 years from now if they want to get into ancient plastic tape storage photography. I am equally sure that if the sensor goes on my M8 in 10 years time I will need to throw it away as Leica will no longer have the spares.

 

Oh yeah... the M8 is great and the only sensible purchase unless you are independantly wealthy or can write an M9 off against tax.

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That's largely irrelevant, Canon DSLRs don't go out of adjustment in the same way that Leica RFs do and whereas M9 owners go on about the benefit of the extended warranty that comes with an M9P upgrade I can't imagine Canon DSLR owners ever being concerned about warranty periods. My Canon shutter is rated at 150,000 actuations Leica won't tell you how long the M8/9 shutter is supposed to last. I think that's one of the issues with Leica charging so much for an M9. I know I can buy an Miii or an MP and expect my grandkids to be using it 100 years from now if they want to get into ancient plastic tape storage photography. I am equally sure that if the sensor goes on my M8 in 10 years time I will need to throw it away as Leica will no longer have the spares.

 

Oh yeah... the M8 is great and the only sensible purchase unless you are independantly wealthy or can write an M9 off against tax.

 

I had totally a different experience with Nikon and I hurried to get rid of it to savor again the taste of my youth with a rangefinder camera. To each his one...

 

Honestly speaking I can't tell now if Leica will still have the spares for my M8 in 10 years. First because I'm not Leica, second because for financial reasons I didn't renew the crystal ball subscription so I can't tell the future anymore.

And frankly speaking I don't care that much about. First because I got myself an M3 too, second because keeping the current hysterical pace in 10 years we might already see the M12 and the M8 might have become just an expensive paperweigth.

God only knows what format will be in use in 10 years, what the sensors' resolution will be, what standards we'll have. I don't know if in 10 years SD cards will still be sold and if they'll be read anymore by PCs. Try reading a floppy disk or a MO disk on today's PCs, you'll know sooner what I mean...

 

My M3 still works like a charm and film got benefit from advancements, so today's film are way superior to films of the '50s but they still fully compatible with the M3!

So all considered, yes, I insist the M8 is still a viable choice. And the most reliable and affordable way to enter Leica digital rangefinder territory without taking a mortgage to buy doomed gear...

 

Cheers,

Bruno

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If the question: "Is a 5 year old M8 still a viable choice?" has substance, what about the question:

 

"Is a 79 year old lens still a viable choice?"

 

See here: http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/1819535-post424.html

 

To answer: "Yes, absolutely!"

 

I still use my M8.2 next to the M9. There are absolutely no reservations, to still use the M8.2.

I bought mine second hand, nice looking and have used it ever since on a daily basis (now about 1 1/2 years without any issues).

 

If this camera should give any trouble, I would likely go through the troubles and have Leica repair it, if possible, even if economical not reasonable. It just is a camera, that grows on you.

 

The same goes for the 79 year old lens. It is new to me, but I love it already.

It is important, to learn about the limitations of these "older tech devices" and use them accordingly.

Both have their strengths over recent Leica products btw - the M8.2 is sharper than than the M9 and the 1932 Hektor draws an image character, no current Leica lens can give you.

 

There is nothing like the real thing!

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I don't know if in 10 years SD cards will still be sold and if they'll be read anymore by PCs. Try reading a floppy disk or a MO disk on today's PCs, you'll know sooner what I mean...

Cheers,

Bruno

 

 

I use a USB Floppy drive on my "modern" computers, works just fine. Most card readers support the ancient card formats as well. Anybody have an Iomega "CliK" disk that they need read? Have two readers that work fine.

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Is buying a 4-5 year old M8 still a viable choice?

and are 7000 accuations a lot?

 

Well, that depends. If you are a big fan of rangefinders, you want digital, and you cannot / don't want to afford a M9, then it is the best option. However, it is 5 years old with a sensor to match. The sensor is decent up to about ISO 640. So viable? That depends on what you think a camera in 2011 should offer and your expectations. If you are expecting modern CMOS ISO figures...you will be disappointed. If you'll use your digital M within its limits because you just prefer rangefinders, you'll find that it is still a viable choice.

 

7,000 accuations is nothing. That's only 194 days of shooting 36 exposures a day. I'm sure there are pros out there that may shoot 7,000 in a month.

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Is buying a 4-5 year old M8 still a viable choice?

and are 7000 accuations a lot?

 

Unfortunately it is not a viable choice. My M8 ( now upgraded) took fantastic pictures when new, but now ? Well they are absolute rubbish !! Can't get a keeper out of the thing !! It must be the camera mustn't it ? I'm absolutely convinced that if I shell out for an M9 my keepers rate will shoot back up again and every shot, well every other, will be fantastic again. After all I have the lenses I used when I first got the M8 so they must be OK ? Or perhaps I should sell all of those as well to be sure it's not them that are ruining my inspirational work from being fantastic ? Deep down I know a Noctilux would be the answer really so I should sell all the rest to get one. There you are, not viable at all, you really need an M9 and a Noctilux or if you can wait a Nikon D4 because I hear all the D3's out there just aren't taking the shots they were and the owners can't wait to sell the rubbish they have become and get the D4 because that is obviously the answer to that problem.

 

7,000 a lot ? Over a weekend yes, over 4/5 years just not trying !! Get that continuous mode on and get that machine gun going you know more is better. Of course you will need to buy Photo Mechanic to sort the 1 in 100 that are worthwhile even looking at.

 

Do I think a gear change will radically improve my work NO !

Do I think an M8 takes great photographs, Oh yes ! (still)

7,000 probably what I would expect of a careful/considerate shooter over 5 years.

 

Who posted that rubbish over the top ? :D

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