StephenPatterson Posted June 22, 2011 Share #481  Posted June 22, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) Well, it's clear why this wasn't called an M9.2, if the M8.2 was any precedent. All cosmetics (obviously like MP), but no mechanical improvements, consistent with all the rumors.  Jeff  I think Leica got the name wrong. If they had called it an M9-A it probably would have been more appropriate, as the cosmetic upgrades seem to be of more value to the amateur, or as we like to be called, prosumer crowd than the professionals on this forum. For me it's an easy choice, as I don't yet own an M9. Yes, it's a strictly cosmetic upgrade, but is there anything wrong with wanting to shoot behind a beautiful camera that will not wear all the edge paint off in a few years?  Silver chrome on a Leica M...it's like having leather seats in a Ferrari. Doesn't make the car go any faster, but would you really want anything less? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted June 22, 2011 Posted June 22, 2011 Hi StephenPatterson, Take a look here Leica M9-P ????. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
menos I M6 Posted June 22, 2011 Share #482 Â Posted June 22, 2011 I would not want to have a Ferrari, but a Porsche would be very welcome. I do also prefer black paint finish - rubbing quickly or more tough doesn't really matter. Â This is the nice thing about personal preferences ;-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosuna Posted June 22, 2011 Share #483 Â Posted June 22, 2011 A new APS-C system is coming: Â Leica to launch new compact system in 2012 [update] - British Journal of Photography Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted June 22, 2011 Share #484 Â Posted June 22, 2011 A new APS-C system is coming APS-C or larger, to be exact (or rather to be as vague as the announcement is at the moment). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecar Posted June 22, 2011 Share #485 Â Posted June 22, 2011 X1 with interchangeable lenses. Smart move. New system = higher revenue from lens sales. Look fwd to it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill Posted June 22, 2011 Share #486 Â Posted June 22, 2011 X1 with interchangeable lenses. . Â It doesn't say that. Â Regards, Â Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecar Posted June 22, 2011 Share #487 Â Posted June 22, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) True - my interpretation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted June 22, 2011 Share #488  Posted June 22, 2011 In fact it says that it will be a fourth system with M, S, and X counting as the first three. Of course the X1 isn’t really a system camera but the message is clear: the new system will be distinct from the X1 and its possible successors. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted June 22, 2011 Share #489 Â Posted June 22, 2011 A CL for the XXIst century? Good idea. It is hard to see how a larger-than-APS sensor would fit into an CL-sized body. My wish would be for a convergence between the M9 and the X1 Say looks like a IIIf, has its own limited auto-focus lens system, EVF and will also take M lenses. Yummy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsrockit Posted June 22, 2011 Share #490 Â Posted June 22, 2011 My wish would be for a convergence between the M9 and the X1 Say looks like a IIIf, has its own limited auto-focus lens system, EVF and will also take M lenses. Yummy. Â This would be great... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted June 22, 2011 Share #491 Â Posted June 22, 2011 Leica may well design it so that it can't take M lenses...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xmas Posted June 22, 2011 Share #492  Posted June 22, 2011 Yummy. Hi  Nanny should have told you that sweet things are bad for teeth?  Noel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted June 22, 2011 Share #493  Posted June 22, 2011 Leica may well design it so that it can't take M lenses...... How would they do it? Use such a long flange distance that you couldn’t focus to infinity? And why would they do that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted June 22, 2011 Share #494 Â Posted June 22, 2011 Isn't this the long awaited solution for R lens users, or am I missing something? Â Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted June 22, 2011 Share #495  Posted June 22, 2011 Isn't this the long awaited solution for R lens users, or am I missing something? It could certainly turn out to be the ‘R solution’, or at least as close to that as it gets. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted June 22, 2011 Share #496 Â Posted June 22, 2011 I think Leica got the name wrong. If they had called it an M9-A it probably would have been more appropriate, as the cosmetic upgrades seem to be of more value to the amateur, or as we like to be called, prosumer crowd than the professionals on this forum. Â My observation had nothing to do with amateur versus professional; merely the resemblance of the M9-P to the MP. But, if you want to engage in the amateur/pro issue, perhaps you should weigh in on this thread. Â Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted June 22, 2011 Share #497  Posted June 22, 2011 How would they do it? Use such a long flange distance that you couldn’t focus to infinity? And why would they do that?  To avoid the issues they have with lenses so close to the sensor plane on the M, thereby presumably keeping the cost down, and also protecting their M revenue. I've no idea, it's just a guess, but makes business sense doesn't it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosuna Posted June 22, 2011 Share #498 Â Posted June 22, 2011 Leica spent 8 million euros in the development of the M9 camera. Â I find it rational to extend the life of the camera with an adapted model with demanded changes (not in the internals): chrome finish and sapphire. Â Any new version of the camera, with changes in the internals (processor, sensor, firmware), would cost another 8 millions or even more. Â They seem to be working and expending on a different thing. Â Synergies would allow to transfer the newly developed technologies, or a part of them, to a future M camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted June 22, 2011 Share #499 Â Posted June 22, 2011 Looks like a silver chrome M9 without a red dot. I guess that's enough to get some fans wetting themselves! Â From page 3 of this thread. Nice to be right sometimes Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted June 22, 2011 Share #500  Posted June 22, 2011 To avoid the issues they have with lenses so close to the sensor plane on the M Flange distance doesn’t matter in this respect; it is the distance of the exit pupil that counts. Theoretically a lens could be close to the sensor and still be near telecentric. Of course there could be problems with using certain M lenses, just as it is the case with existing EVIL cameras now, but so what? Leica wouldn’t have to guarantee there won’t be issues; they could even leave the adapter as a third-party opportunity.  thereby presumably keeping the cost down Not really. Also I have a hunch they want the camera to be small, requiring a short flange distance.  protecting their M revenue. Leica has to accept that customers can use their M glass on EVIL bodys from Sony, Panasonic, Olympus, or Samsung, but they wouldn’t want those customers to do the same with an EVIL body from Leica? Doesn’t make sense. And as long as the new camera isn’t a rangefinder and has a FF sensor there wouldn’t be any serious competition between the systems anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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