Xmas Posted May 9, 2011 Share #21 Posted May 9, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) David, I notice that you've used this word "need". I'm not sure I understand what this word means. Pete. Hi Pete Synonym for 'want'. Noel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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farnz Posted May 9, 2011 Share #22 Posted May 9, 2011 Hi Pete Synonym for 'want'. Noel Ah, thanks, Noel. Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wda Posted May 9, 2011 Share #23 Posted May 9, 2011 David, I notice that you've used this word "need". I'm not sure I understand what this word means. Pete. Actually Pete, I was quoting the OP. ("....Toying with the idea of this lens, but not really sure I need it......") A lens meets a need to satisfy a requirement. OP confesses he has no 'need'. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted May 9, 2011 Author Share #24 Posted May 9, 2011 Very helpful advice all round, thank you all. I appreciate that lens choices are personal, it depends what you shoot, do you really "need" it, no one can make your decisions for you, etc etc But, that is not the strength of this excellent forum. The advice above is - thank you all for taking the time and sharing your experiences with this lens. I will think on it - I have till Monday, so there's no particular rush. Cheers John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
otto.f Posted May 9, 2011 Share #25 Posted May 9, 2011 It's a lens I said I would never part with, but that was on my M8, the angle 28 is not really my thing, so I sold it when I had my M9. I think it belongs to the top three of the best/most beautiful Leica M lenses, absolutely speaking; because of flare-resistance and color rendition. Selective focus is modest, even on a M9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sblitz Posted May 9, 2011 Share #26 Posted May 9, 2011 so can we assume you replaced the 28 with a 35 on your m9 as your favorite? sounds like you miss the 28 -- re-buy it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
otto.f Posted May 9, 2011 Share #27 Posted May 9, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) Right assumption sblitz, but no re-buy yet, maybe on a future M8, prefer to stay compact though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpalme Posted May 10, 2011 Share #28 Posted May 10, 2011 That's a great deal. You should buy it just to try it at least .. since you can actually make money if you sell it. I paid $3300 recently .. paid a little more to get it from a solid seller.. Ken Hanson. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gib_robinson Posted May 11, 2011 Share #29 Posted May 11, 2011 John, I suspect the only way you are really going to know whether 28mm is a useful focal length for you is to try it for a while. Since you can get the lens for a good price, you can sell it if it sits unused. Personally, I have and use seven M lenses from 21-135. There are times when one or two lenses will do just fine, but at other times I use all seven. The 28mm Summicron is a special favorite. --Gib Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkP Posted May 11, 2011 Share #30 Posted May 11, 2011 Does anyone have experience with both the current 28 Elmarit and Summicron? I have had the current 28 Elmarit ASPH for the past 6 months, and I am surprised by how much I like the focal length, and this very small lens in particular. However, everyone's waxing lyrical about the 'remarkable' 28 Summicron tempts me. Other than the extra stop, and some compromise to the viewfinder, do I really gain enough to justify the upgrade to the faster lens other than satisfying GAS? It is nice having a small light lens, and I should add that it is surrounded by faster, albeit much heavier, glass including 21, 35, and 50 Summiluxes. Thoughts and comments greatly appreciated. Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted May 11, 2011 Share #31 Posted May 11, 2011 I use both, the Elmarit is a bit more contrasty with a slightly sharper bokey but i need to do side by side comparos to tell a difference (if any). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkP Posted May 11, 2011 Share #32 Posted May 11, 2011 Thanks Ict, am I right then in assuming that I should really only upgrade if I need the extra stop, rather than for any significant difference in IQ? Do you decide on which one of yours to use based on size & speed, or contrast & OOF rendering? Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
menos I M6 Posted May 11, 2011 Share #33 Posted May 11, 2011 Thanks Ict, am I right then in assuming that I should really only upgrade if I need the extra stop, rather than for any significant difference in IQ? Do you decide on which one of yours to use based on size & speed, or contrast & OOF rendering? Mark I would really only "upgrade", if the needed stop is important. It is slightly lighter than the 35 Lux ASPH, the focus feels less "tight", but as smooth, as on the 35 Lux ASPH. It is said, to have slightly less contrast than the 28 2.8. If you don't need the extra stop, this is a costly upgrade. For me, it is actually too slow and seldom comes with me in the night - ok for pushed BW film, but too slow for Leica digital. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sblitz Posted May 11, 2011 Share #34 Posted May 11, 2011 it would seem to me that the extra stop is worth more in a wider lens than a longer one, say 28 vs 75. the logic coming from the focal lengths. with a 28mm infinity comes faster, so more things are in focus, making it a great street lens for a quick point and shoot. but if you want some "pop" with a blurred background the extra stop almost becomes a necessity. on the other hand, with a 75 or 90, you are going to have to shoot fairly close to the subject to see a bokeh difference between f2 and f2.8. am i out to sea on this? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted May 11, 2011 Share #35 Posted May 11, 2011 ...with a 75 or 90, you are going to have to shoot fairly close to the subject to see a bokeh difference between f2 and f2.8... You mean with a 28mm lens i guess. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted May 11, 2011 Author Share #36 Posted May 11, 2011 it would seem to me that the extra stop is worth more in a wider lens than a longer one, say 28 vs 75. the logic coming from the focal lengths. with a 28mm infinity comes faster, so more things are in focus, making it a great street lens for a quick point and shoot. but if you want some "pop" with a blurred background the extra stop almost becomes a necessity. on the other hand, with a 75 or 90, you are going to have to shoot fairly close to the subject to see a bokeh difference between f2 and f2.8. am i out to sea on this? That's my perception as well, Steve, though I'm not sure about your f2 - f2.8 comparison. F2.8 on my 75 is more forgiving at short and medium distances than f2. For what its worth, I was looking at 2 28 Crons for sale. One was withdrawn by the seller (my guess is a private sale) and the other was offered at USD3,000. At that price, I felt it wasn't quite such a bargain, I'm not sure I will use it a lot at the moment, and I'd rather wait until I can find a silver chrome version (new, if I can afford it). Thanks all for your helpful comments and advice. I'm sure I'll buy this lens at some stage, but for the moment I'll make do with my 35. Cheers John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkP Posted May 12, 2011 Share #37 Posted May 12, 2011 it would seem to me that the extra stop is worth more in a wider lens than a longer one, say 28 vs 75. the logic coming from the focal lengths. with a 28mm infinity comes faster, so more things are in focus, making it a great street lens for a quick point and shoot. but if you want some "pop" with a blurred background the extra stop almost becomes a necessity. on the other hand, with a 75 or 90, you are going to have to shoot fairly close to the subject to see a bokeh difference between f2 and f2.8. am i out to sea on this? Thanks also for everyone's advice. As per above, I should have mentioned that the inability to limit DOF with the 28 Elmarit does annoy me. This may be another reason to 'upgrade' the lens. Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rick lyman Posted May 12, 2011 Share #38 Posted May 12, 2011 Hello from a newbie! Wonderful to be in touch with like minded individuals. Enjoy comparisons 28 "cron with 35 "lux...etc. Depends what you shoot. I find the 28 brings me into the thick of what's happening..I become a member of the group and brings out my relationships and interactions with those around me and the photo's viewers. Do you want to stand off and shoot from afar or be enmeshed and a participant in the image process? BTW, does anyone want compare their experiences with the 24mm lenses vs. the 28mm? I have both the 28 and the 35 ASPH's, but am curious about the 24, particularly the ASPH. Thanks, rick lyman Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xmas Posted May 12, 2011 Share #39 Posted May 12, 2011 Hello from a newbie! Wonderful to be in touch with like minded individuals. Enjoy comparisons 28 "cron with 35 "lux...etc. Depends what you shoot. I find the 28 brings me into the thick of what's happening..I become a member of the group and brings out my relationships and interactions with those around me and the photo's viewers. Do you want to stand off and shoot from afar or be enmeshed and a participant in the image process? BTW, does anyone want compare their experiences with the 24mm lenses vs. the 28mm? I have both the 28 and the 35 ASPH's, but am curious about the 24, particularly the ASPH. Thanks, rick lyman Hi I use the 21, 25, 28 & 35 most of the time, though mostly on LTM cameras, sometimes 40mm. The 21mm on full frame will distort a face off axis so much, (not the lens BTW,) to require cropping, the 25 normally tolerable, the 28 rarely annoying. So if you work close in with people, you still need to take (sic more) care with group photos and a 25mm, or crop mistakes. I have the ZM 25 f2.8 but it is large, so I normally use a CV f/4, even with an M, at /5.6 or smaller they are ok handheld with fast film. The LTM CV without a rangefinder allows focusing before you point the camera, useful for candids. At 28mm I normally use the CV f/3.5, over the Asph f/2.8 for better ergonomics, as well it seems smaller, though this may be the ergonomics. Noel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgray Posted May 12, 2011 Share #40 Posted May 12, 2011 Depends what you shoot. I find the 28 brings me into the thick of what's happening..I become a member of the group and brings out my relationships and interactions with those around me and the photo's viewers. Yes! That's one of the reasons I love 28 so much. The 21mm on full frame will distort a face off axis so much, (not the lens BTW,) to require cropping, the 25 normally tolerable, the 28 rarely annoying. ... At 28mm I normally use the CV f/3.5, over the Asph f/2.8 for better ergonomics, as well it seems smaller, though this may be the ergonomics. I've never used a 24/25, but I agree with Noel on the bit about 21 and 28. I find 28 is a much better all purpose lens for me. My 21 is certainly fun, and has worked on people before to good effect, but I view it more as an 'ultrawide' than as a general purpose lens. I used to a use a 15mm for my ultrawide, but found that the 21, even though not as wide, does 95% of what I want an ultrawide to do while traveling. And if you work it right and are careful about being level, you can make things look deceptively 'non-wide'. On the other hand, I can pretty much ignore this stuff while shooting my 28 and only rarely do I get wide angle exaggerations of heads, tilted verticals, etc., that really bug me. I also agree about the 28/2.8 ASPH and the CV 28/3.5. For a while I wanted a smaller companion to my 28/2 and was daydreaming of the 28 Elmarit ASPH. I finally picked up a CV 28/3.5 and was able to try out the 28 Elmarit ASPH. I find for my purposes, the CV is better. It IS smaller than the Elmarit (by 10 mm, the same amount the Elmarit is smaller than the Summicron), has great performance, and personally, I like the handling of it more. I found the 28 Elmarit ASPH to be a bit fiddly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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