Gibbo Posted June 4, 2011 Share #121 Posted June 4, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) You have clearly not met Lupin. Regards, Bill I think we would all like to Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted June 6, 2011 Share #122 Posted June 6, 2011 Isn't that what porters are for? Or your children? We usually have the Tea-bearer. Or some camels. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamey Posted June 7, 2011 Share #123 Posted June 7, 2011 Why did Solms drop their R-customers unceremonious. Because their use by date had expired. *burp* Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paolo.Battista Posted June 7, 2011 Share #124 Posted June 7, 2011 ..... or use a smaller format like 4/3. Not interested. For sure 4/3 cannot be the solution for R lens users, but I am quite happy with the results of R lenses on the Digilux 3 and (specially) the E-3 (for lenses starting from 35 mm on). A completely new R dSLR from Leica is for sure not economically feasible, but a customized version of a Sony or Nikon FF (with real R mount, split prism focusing screen, maybe Leica image settings like very weak or no anti aliasing filter) could be enough for many R lens owners. And it should not break Leica's budget. Yes, you can convert R lenses both to Nikon and Sony mount, and you can add Katz Eye focusing screens on those bodies. But again, living with stop down metering is not for everyone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xmas Posted June 7, 2011 Share #125 Posted June 7, 2011 Sorry Noel- are you referring to the S2 (hopefully not, for Leica's sake) or my joke on the R10? Hi The S2 is a joke, Leica need to (have) read the Nikon F marketing literature from '59 and the Conterax marketing literature from '58 again. Then they need to fire all their marketing people. note I dont have a SLR, I'd a been upset had I had a R system. The Leicaflex was described as 'pure sprint water' by one of the early flex camera reviews... Nikon had sold a large number of F motor drives, by then, you could hear the mirror noise of several Fs' button down' every 18:00 TV news, of a doorstep sceane. If I wanted a medum format stype DSLR I'd buy a blad or similar, oops I already have a film blad The hot cakes are cooling, the M9 is bcoming a dealer shelf camera, Leica need to be thinking about rebated M9 before the M9-2 or M10, and doing something for M7 or MP. The M9 was like manna from heaven... feeding it to an elephant silly. I dont see them doing another M2 'clone', they have forgotten '58, the S2 needed to be a M2 clone (in terms of sales), the DMR needed to be an M2 clone in terms of sales, There's a long way between M2 and M9, September Song - except the month numbers are wrong. Their position on the lens market is worse than it has ever been, i.e. currently CV and ZM, only the (i.e. any) quake recovery delay leaves them any hope of recovering %... The summarits did not work, in terms of sales, the CV f/2.5 5cm bombed as well, but Cosina probably still make a profit, on the 5cm. They (the f/2.5s) are all excellent lenses I have a CV 5cm, liked the compactness more than MTF. I dont think they can sell the compay to the Ch. . That is the only reason for a dvidend IMO... But Leica have managed to lurch from one point to another so far. Noel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted June 7, 2011 Share #126 Posted June 7, 2011 I would drop in some smilies if I were you, Noel. People might begin to believe, unlikely as it seems, that you are serious. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xmas Posted June 7, 2011 Share #127 Posted June 7, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) I would drop in some smilies if I were you, Noel. People might begin to believe, unlikely as it seems, that you are serious. Sorry I'm a depressive, in '58 Leitz made about 25,000 M and 10,000 Barnacks, Canon were having trouble, with marketing. Most of the time I use M2 or Canon P, from 58 to 59... ~!( Noel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted June 7, 2011 Share #128 Posted June 7, 2011 Well, getting out and firing off a few photographs seems a perfect therapy to me :) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xmas Posted June 7, 2011 Share #129 Posted June 7, 2011 Well, getting out and firing off a few photographs seems a perfect therapy to me :) Yes good therapy - long term average 2x36 a day, not daily 15-18 a weekend, also like souping and wetting paper. Noel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posto 6 Posted June 8, 2011 Author Share #130 Posted June 8, 2011 Hi The S2 is a joke, Leica need to (have) read the Nikon F marketing literature from '59 and the Conterax marketing literature from '58 again. Then they need to fire all their marketing people. The hot cakes are cooling, the M9 is bcoming a dealer shelf camera, Leica need to be thinking about rebated M9 before the M9-2 or M10, and doing something for M7 or MP. The M9 was like manna from heaven... the S2 needed to be a M2 clone (in terms of sales), the DMR needed to be an M2 clone in terms of sales. The summarits did not work, in terms of sales, the CV f/2.5 5cm bombed as well, but Cosina probably still make a profit, on the 5cm. They (the f/2.5s) are all excellent lenses I have a CV 5cm, liked the compactness more than MTF. I dont think they can sell the compay to the Ch. . That is the only reason for a dvidend IMO... But Leica have managed to lurch from one point to another so far. Noel What would your solution be to these perceived problems, Noel? If I were in a pessimistic mode, I would add that Leica at the moment have a dangerously high exposure to the Chinese and ASEAN countries market. And their local economic boom is showing signs of running into a consolidation phase Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xmas Posted June 8, 2011 Share #131 Posted June 8, 2011 What would your solution be to these perceived problems, Noel? If I were in a pessimistic mode, I would add that Leica at the moment have a dangerously high exposure to the Chinese and ASEAN countries market. And their local economic boom is showing signs of running into a consolidation phase I dont know why they did not make a DMR mkII, and a updated R'n'... aside from it not selling in volume, theor bean counters must have interesting cost benifit models. History is easier then the future, Leica should have invested more (i.e. all the) money in M9/M10 development, for elegancy and cost of manufacture. But there may not be a big rfdr market, though fuji will/are selling X100s The S2 might allow a recovery of some of the investment but I'd not be optimistic about big profits. The large format market is not that easy. The problem is easy to identify Cosina can make a Digital Bessa or a Digitial ZM, when their contractal caveats for the RD/1 expire, but neither Conina nor Zeiss may see sufficient market volume, e.g. for micro lenses like the M9.. A 10m pixel RD/1 clone for 1200GBP would stir up the market, adding micro lenses like the M8 more so. I have friends still using RD/1 no reliability problems, they might switch, to a mkII, they might not.. I have freidns selling M8s for film M or DSLR, majority for service features. Leica need to hang on to digital customers Such thinks would not necessarily damage Leica too much, the shortsge of Leica lenses is damaging, I'm not going to replace my CV lenses for Leica lenses, if I damage one like for like replacement, the replacement costs are increasing as a % like they were Leica lenses (almost), less enamoured by the ZM lenses. Leica are in a market niche dont think there is an easy escape.. Noel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuny Posted June 8, 2011 Share #132 Posted June 8, 2011 Noel - The DMR ended its life earlier than expected when Hassy bought Imacon, one of the major contractors working on the DMR, effectively signing its death warrant. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted June 8, 2011 Share #133 Posted June 8, 2011 ... and doing something for M7 or MP. Noel, You're too pessimistic. Film still has a some life left in it. It's too early to kill off these products. Cheers John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torquinian Posted April 22, 2014 Share #134 Posted April 22, 2014 Short of reviving the R series, what action or statement from Leica would satisfy you? Nothing ;- I shall never forgive them . I have R 3, 4, 5, 6.2 and 8 + 10 lenses. I shall never be able to buy another one. Sob Sob. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted April 22, 2014 Share #135 Posted April 22, 2014 The DMR ended its life earlier than expected when Hassy bought Imacon, one of the major contractors working on the DMR, effectively signing its death warrant. Hasselblad (or rather its major shareholder, Shriro Group) bought Imacon before the DMR became available so the DMR was actually made by Hasselblad, although Leica’s partnership with Imacon had started well before the merger of course. The DMR’s official introduction at photokina 2004 and the announcement of the Hasselblad-Imacon merger virtually coincided. Still it is probably true that the strategic appeal the Leica deal had had for Imacon just vanished when they could merge with Hasselblad, a much better match for Imacon’s business than Leica would have been. So Hasselblad/Imacon made good on their contractual obligations but their heart wasn’t in it anymore – or at least that was the impression I got when talking to Hasselblad/Imacon at the time. Still I’m not convinced Leica would have ordered another batch of DMRs to be made, had the partnership with Imacon turned out differently. The market for this kind of product appeared to be saturated already so there was really no point. Technologically the DMR was a dead end – where would you go from there when FF wasn’t an option? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted April 23, 2014 Share #136 Posted April 23, 2014 Nothing ;- I shall never forgive them . I have R 3, 4, 5, 6.2 and 8 + 10 lenses. I shall never be able to buy another one. Sob Sob. If Leica had built the R10 they most likely would have gone bankrupt. There was no way they could survive another white elephant. And you would have been in exactly the same position. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuny Posted April 23, 2014 Share #137 Posted April 23, 2014 Torquinian - Perhaps you should take your time and find a very good example of the R9 to add to your line-up. You might even want to hunt down an R6 and an R7 to fill-out your collection. All of them are fine cameras most capable of producing satisfying results on film. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveYork Posted April 23, 2014 Share #138 Posted April 23, 2014 It was just market driven. People weren't buying R stuff, and hadn't been for awhile. And Leica did try in those final years -- they produced new lenses (notably the 90/2 and 50/1.4), a new camera (R9), that DMR thing, but my sense is that all these items sold slower then anticipated. I'm satisfied the company maintains spare parts to fix these old cameras. Forty years after production, I can still get an SL fixed. That's loyalty enough for me. You can't expect a for-profit company to keeping making something that isn't selling. They made the same decision in the mid-70's when they dropped the M line, temporarily. There was just never enough of a rabid R fan base to support the line. Too much competition from Nikon and Canon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gisling Posted April 28, 2014 Share #139 Posted April 28, 2014 I use my R lenses on Canon5DMII with a EOS-R adapter. The new Leica M240 is suppose to be the answer from Leica for R lenses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torquinian Posted May 5, 2014 Share #140 Posted May 5, 2014 Jaapv, would you by any chance have details of this book please?Erwin Putts book is very depressing. I read it and then sold it. He looks at all your favourite lenses and then finds fault with them.Don't buy it! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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