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M9 titianium in HK


Daniel Leung

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The M9T is readily available from most Hong Kong Leica dealers, the problem is the price. Nice serial numbers go for more, especially to the Chinese, like 8/500, 18, 28, 168, 268 etc.

 

Normal numbers should only be selling for around USD30000. So haggle and don't get ripped off.

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... right about the amount I had to put on my new Volvo V70 ... net of my beloved Alfa 159 :o... cars , like it or not, are a NEED in today's life... tasty titanium M9 not so much... :D

Yes - I had to buy a "new" Jaguar in that pricerange, unfortunately...:o

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Investing in new camera gear expecting to make a profit or even break even when you sell is a mistake. I bought the "special edition" M9 chrome/leather plus 35 cron as my first Leica, but I have no illusion about profiting if I ever sell it, even though it is 1 of 50 units.

 

I like the durability of the chrome finish, the feel of the leather, the overall look, and have no intention of letting it rest on a shelf, it goes with me everywhere and makes me want to take pictures. My Canon gear doesn't have this effect and feels like a chore in comparison.

 

I know some will scoff at paying 15% premium for chrome, leather and a sapphire glass screen, but the aesthetic and finish level of the camera is worth it to me. And compared to the car upgrade I was considering prior to buying the M9, it was a lot less expensive. :) I am happy driving my Toyota truck and firing away with the M9.

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Daniel, buy it if it gives you pleasure. Enjoy it any way you want. Lock it away, or show it to your friends, or just hold it. Your pleasure of owning it will be the actual return on your investment. Don't think at all about any money return. That will just worry you. And to really justify the purchase, you could just tell yourself it's a great "backup camera" should your M9 need repair. ;) Enjoy!

 

Larry

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If I was going to spend that amount on a collector's item I'd wait until I was completely satisfied with the regular model first. The are (for me) still unresolved issues with the M9 that I would like to see addressed in future versions. It's a great camera that captures great quality images, it's just not perfect yet. Get that right, then bring out a collector's version that takes it a stage further, and I'd be very tempted to get the limited edition. I'd still have to use it on special occasions though, but then for me it wouldn't be an investment, more like owning a piece of fine art. Precious.

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The are (for me) still unresolved issues with the M9 that I would like to see addressed in future versions.
The most important unresolved issue with the M9 - the lack of illuminated framelines - has been addressed in the M9T :D
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I noticed one from Hong Kong on E-bay about a week ago ... could be the same .

 

One major difference between the M9 T and all the other Leica Ltd Editions ( that im aware of) is that it has a unique body (not just colour or finish) ... so i feel this makes it more collectable than any other digital Leica to date ... and thus more likely to retain its value. Do i have a spare £24K to spend on a camera ? ... the answer is most definately no.

 

Brian

 

Oh almost forgot ... Luigi recommends his diamond patterned finished cases for the M9 T

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Whilst I understand Leica's need to supplement their income by whatever legal means they can, and whilst I understand the investor's appetite for capital growth, and whilst I understand that taste is an extremely subjective matter, I just wish to say that I wouldn't buy one.

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I would invest in something other than a camera....if you were looking to make $ on it. Limited market, etc. And they made more M9T's that they probably should have. I blow my $ on guitars. But my babies are valued a bit more than I paid for them back in the day. I am not worried about making money on them. They were works of art to me and I wanted to keep and appreciate them.

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I for one would love one of these. If I had the spare cash I would buy one, but I would make the most of it and use it to death. Why buy a quality bit of gear like that and not use it. Like the guy with the new "collectible" Porsche that he has sitting in the garage so as not to destroy it's resale value. When he comes to sell he will inevitably take a bath. The trick is not to sell and then it remains worth what was paid for it - but only if all the other new ones are sold.

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I don't have an issue with someone buying a Titanium M9 simply as an investment; after all Leica is making plenty of money out of all the suckers that bought a regular M9 only to find it breaks down all the time and takes forever to get repaired/replaced.

 

But there's the rub; how can a camera that's reputation for poor reliability is becoming more widely known as each day passes ever be considered either "collectible" or a "sound investment"?

 

Surely as the truth regarding the problems with the M9 become more widely known, its market value titanium or not will plummet soundly through the floor. You only have to look at the resale value of M8s and M8.2s to figure that out.

 

You'd be much better off putting your money into a mint M3 if you're looking to turn a profit on resale.

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I think that you might be on a one-man mission today... Overstating a reliability issue in multiple threads seems to me to be a way of making an M9 seem more unreliable than it really is to Google searches.

 

Titanium M10s are collectable because there are only 500 of them. Reliability isn't a factor.

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What I find depressing about the M9 Tit is not that its expensive - I have nothing whatsoever against the S2 for example, or many a car that costs many times its price - but that there are so many people who, in my opinion, are encouraged to mistake deliberately imposed scarcity for the value that results from genuine and spontaneous excess of demand for a product.

 

Now of course the results may be similar, prices may be forced higher, and that's fine if you assess it purely as an investment, but in order truly to do that you need to be indifferent to any actual qualities you perceive in it beyond those that determine its market price, and we've already established what they are.

 

So, if its an investment, we should forget its qualities as a camera (which are no different intrinsically from the M9 that costs 25% of its price) and recognise it has nothing to do with the creative photographic spirit Leica cameras, but purely the Accounting & Special Editions Dept., Solms.

 

Or alternatively, looked at as a camera, we should recognise that its high price exclusively derives from its artificially restricted supply, and shun it for its better value/equal performance original.

 

Either way, it makes no more sense to me than discussing Mark's & Spencer's share price compared with Tesco's.

 

And of course there's nothing wrong with that, either!

 

;):)

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