earleygallery Posted February 17, 2011 Share #21 Posted February 17, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) Please stop labeling people. Or would you like a label too? Well, banging on about film being defunkt, dead, gone, finished, etc, is labelling too. People in glass houses and all that! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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wildlightphoto Posted February 17, 2011 Share #22 Posted February 17, 2011 ... I'd rather have a label than see a new member wilfully misled, wouldn't you? By labelling tobey you are willfully misleading the new member. If you belive that tobey is incorrect, present your evidence. Well, banging on about film being defunkt, dead, gone, finished, etc, is labelling too. People in glass houses and all that! Same advice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted February 17, 2011 Share #23 Posted February 17, 2011 By labelling tobey you are willfully misleading the new member. If you belive that tobey is incorrect, present your evidence. Same advice. Evidence? Go out and shoot some film, what more evidence does one need? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildlightphoto Posted February 17, 2011 Share #24 Posted February 17, 2011 Evidence? Go out and shoot some film, what more evidence does one need? One individual's use of film isn't evidence that the industry is healthy. BTW in another thread, tobey offered the same advice you just have: buy and use film. That doesn't sound like the advice of a Digivangelist. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill Posted February 17, 2011 Share #25 Posted February 17, 2011 Doug, let's be honest. a) The onus is on Tobey to prove his contentious statement in the first place, not on me for calling him out on it. I very much doubt that the OP cares about labels, as you call them. I would however expect them to be concerned with separating facts from articles of faith or oft-stated prejudices from either camp. Regards, Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildlightphoto Posted February 17, 2011 Share #26 Posted February 17, 2011 Doug, let's be honest. Here's my honesty: This forum is infested with defensive stupidity. You're a good example. I'm outta here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
euston Posted February 17, 2011 Share #27 Posted February 17, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) Film is going away so I would not get into it now. Unless you buy used and cheap. Getting film into a computer is another problem. There are no really good film scanners at affordable prices. I found this a rather mild expression of opinion and not especially contentious. Bill Palmer’s reaction to it was typically exaggerated and quarrelsome. a) The onus is on Tobey to prove his contentious statement in the first place, not on me for calling him out on it. Is it really necessary to "call him out" for expressing an opinion you don't agree with? That’s the language of the OK Corral. It doesn’t make for reasoned discussion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill Posted February 17, 2011 Share #28 Posted February 17, 2011 As you wish. Clearly I am not mealymouthed enough for some. Regards, Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJP Posted February 17, 2011 Share #29 Posted February 17, 2011 Although I cannot "prove" this I would be most surprised if film production would cease altogether, it might become an (expensive) niche at some point but even that would surprise me. Film has a lot going for it but I usually find digital much more convenient and certainly not worse than film (except handling of highlights & accidental overexposure, there film is still better IMHO). Concerning electronics reliability, most passenger airplanes fly by wire (ie. via electronics, or fibre optic couplers etc.) not mechanically. Why? Because electronics is more reliable than mechanics i.e. safer. I have some Quad amplifyers at home, still working reliably, that are about 35 years old & still fully servicable. You can still buy vacuum tubes even the very early ones. So I am not concerned that my M8 will become obsolete any time soon. Especially as it relatively old fashioned, or shall we say conservative, in its design mainly using discrete components rather than dedicated chips. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill Posted February 17, 2011 Share #30 Posted February 17, 2011 Stephen, thank you for a balanced view. Regards, Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted February 17, 2011 Share #31 Posted February 17, 2011 One individual's use of film isn't evidence that the industry is healthy. BTW in another thread, tobey offered the same advice you just have: buy and use film. That doesn't sound like the advice of a Digivangelist. I'm not talking about individual use. I don't shoot much digitally, I've tried it enough and prefer film overall, so I could say digital still photography is ending. It most probably will, in its current form, to be replaced by some newer technology which we can't even imagine yet! There are plenty of film photographers out there, not least the motion film industry. To simply say that 'film is ending' is factually wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
farnz Posted February 17, 2011 Share #32 Posted February 17, 2011 Well it looks as if Doug Herr has left the forum for good. I will personally miss his sage advice, his wealth of experience, and his breathtaking photographs. How pointless. Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frozenace Posted February 17, 2011 Share #33 Posted February 17, 2011 I need to remember where I put my spare batteries for my light meter. The last time I bought some was probably December 2009... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted February 17, 2011 Share #34 Posted February 17, 2011 Tobey wrote: "Film is going away so I would not get into it now. Unless you buy used and cheap". I would give the exact same advice in all honesty, adding perhaps "YMMV" in all tongue-in-cheek-ness if need be. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill Posted February 17, 2011 Share #35 Posted February 17, 2011 Well it looks as if Doug Herr has left the forum for good. I will personally miss his sage advice, his wealth of experience, and his breathtaking photographs. How pointless. Pete. Quite. What a waste. Regards, Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted February 17, 2011 Share #36 Posted February 17, 2011 Well it looks as if Doug Herr has left the forum for good. I will personally miss his sage advice, his wealth of experience, and his breathtaking photographs. +1, I remember when the forum was a friendly place rather than the pissing contest it seems to be turning into. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NZDavid Posted February 18, 2011 Share #37 Posted February 18, 2011 Well it looks as if Doug Herr has left the forum for good. I will personally miss his sage advice, his wealth of experience, and his breathtaking photographs. How pointless. Pete. Quite. What a waste. Regards, Bill Doug, come back! Not to this thread, but to the forum! The OP might forgive if I'm wrong, but this thread has all the hallmarks of an LUF wind-up. Hmm. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted February 18, 2011 Share #38 Posted February 18, 2011 I would like all the contributors to this thread to re-read what they have written and consider the content. Steve U is absolutely right about the pissing contest. It's getting ridiculous and wind up posts are appearing in multiple threads. It has not gone in-noticed by the Mods and many members, that antagonistic and un-necessary "forthright-ness" seem to come from the same source. I sincerely hope that Doug, with his wealth of experience and talent that puts 99% of us to shame has only left this thread, not the forum. He would be a great loss. PMs will be sent and I will brush-up the Yellow Card button. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dickgrafixstop Posted February 18, 2011 Share #39 Posted February 18, 2011 I would offer a bit milder solution. Since you've never used film, try some. If you can't borrow a Pentax film body, buy one - they're incredibly cheap these days and I'd recommend the most basic K100. It eschews the "modernity" of auto-focus etc. and allows you to use your own lenses that your're familiar with. Use only prime lenses and don't cheat with the zooms. Do an A-B shoot with your digital camera and see howyou like the results. Try several different brands/types of 35mm film to get a feel for the variations inherent in them. How do you like manual focus? Auto-exposure or not? Work with a light meter. Once you decide if the "artist" in you enjoys the basics of photography, then investigate buying a Leica. You'll have a much better feel for which one you want (and can afford) but more importantly you'll develop a feeling for which of the magnificient lens you will need to accomplish your vision. Then buy a body, one lens and master it. Welcome. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xmas Posted February 18, 2011 Share #40 Posted February 18, 2011 Although I cannot "prove" this I would be most surprised if film production would cease altogether, it might become an (expensive) niche at some point but even that would surprise me. Film has a lot going for it but I usually find digital much more convenient and certainly not worse than film (except handling of highlights & accidental overexposure, there film is still better IMHO). film seems expensive to me already, but I can still get 120 mono on Sunday in metropolis. Concerning electronics reliability, most passenger airplanes fly by wire (ie. via electronics, or fibre optic couplers etc.) not mechanically. Why? Because electronics is more reliable than mechanics i.e. safer. I think it was Wilbur, who said 'if you want to be safe perch on the wire like those crows watching us...' there was no software in his flyers I have some Quad amplifyers at home, still working reliably, that are about 35 years old & still fully servicable. You can still buy vacuum tubes even the very early ones. So I am not concerned that my M8 will become obsolete any time soon. Especially as it relatively old fashioned, or shall we say conservative, in its design mainly using discrete components rather than dedicated chips. You said obsolete, that can be objective when replacement is cheaper than maintenance, at the moment there is only one maintenance company. You can get a M8 for little (about 50%) more than a RD/1 e.g. a lot cheaper than similar (i.e. 'used') MP, so the market does not seem to have your confidence, for whatever reason. And OM1 (mechanical SLR) seem to be appreciating against the later more electronic OMx SLR, the flexi right printed circuit wiring board replacement is a problem, LCDs etc. Perhaps an MP might have been a better investment? I trust you dont take you Quad system out in the rain? Which version of software does your M8 have in its flash memory? A full frame low light digital ZM would put the cat among the pigeons... Noel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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