k-hawinkler Posted October 2, 2012 Share #481 Posted October 2, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) I will assume that you do not own or haven't used the DMR. The Nikon/Canon bodies don't come close, in any way, to the colors rendered by the DMR. They are worlds apart. I own a Nikon D3 and there's just no comparison. Hi Ben, I would make the same statement comparing my M9 to my D3, D300, D800E and certainly hope that the new Leica M delivers those beautiful colors as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted October 2, 2012 Posted October 2, 2012 Hi k-hawinkler, Take a look here The R solution - more details. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
wildlightphoto Posted October 2, 2012 Share #482 Posted October 2, 2012 .. The Nikon/Canon bodies don't come close, in any way, to the colors rendered by the DMR. They are worlds apart. I own a Nikon D3 and there's just no comparison. I would make the same statement comparing my M9 to my D3, D300, D800E and certainly hope that the new Leica M delivers those beautiful colors as well. Pretty much sums up why many DMR users have been waiting for a Leica solution rather than adapting or converting to use R lenses on CaNikon bodies. I too have high hopes for the New M's color quality. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rick_dykstra Posted October 3, 2012 Share #483 Posted October 3, 2012 After using my R8, DMR and module lenses on the weekend I'm concerned about how 'acceptable' the M will be for R users. I generally use fill-flash with long lenses and up close nature photography. Fast sync speeds are a major advantage in keeping camera shake under control. The M's sync speed of 1/180th is not as useful as 1/250th with the R8 & 9. Getting focus right with long teles is critical. The narrow depth in the viewfinder that results from focussing with open aperture significantly enhances accurate focussing. Trying to get focus right with the lens stopped down is sub-optimal. Perhaps focus peaking will help here, provided it picks up the contrast between a creatures' iris & pupil. It might be distracting. Does focus peaking work in the EVF2? Others have already commented on the size and balance mismatch between the portable R lenses (those without integrated lens mounts) and the M, made worse by the adapter. 35 Summilux, 80 Summilux and 100 APO-Macro Elmarit spring to mind. Are there any independent reviews to look at yet? David Farkas/Dale Photography is all I've seen so far, and they are more in the way of Photokina visit reports (good though). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildlightphoto Posted October 3, 2012 Share #484 Posted October 3, 2012 ... The M's sync speed of 1/180th is not as useful as 1/250th with the R8 & 9.... With the DMR, because of the cropped sensor, 1/360 can be used. Getting focus right with long teles is critical. The narrow depth in the viewfinder that results from focussing with open aperture significantly enhances accurate focussing. Trying to get focus right with the lens stopped down is sub-optimal. I believe that Rick and I are on the same page here. Perhaps focus peaking will help here, provided it picks up the contrast between a creatures' iris & pupil. It might be distracting. Does focus peaking work in the EVF2? I believe it does. Are there any independent reviews to look at yet? David Farkas/Dale Photography is all I've seen so far, and they are more in the way of Photokina visit reports (good though). There are no production cameras yet so I wouldn't put a lot of confidence in any reviews to accurately reflect the performance of production cameras and firmware. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Geschlecht Posted October 3, 2012 Share #485 Posted October 3, 2012 Hello Everybody, 40 years ago Alpa made an adapter that allowed a person to use Nikon auto diaphram lenses to meter by partially depressing the shutter release to meter in stop down mode & then automatically reopen the auto aperture lens for focussing & release of the shutter as w/ any Nikon auto diaphram lens on any Nikon. The Alpa it worked on was a stop down metering camera w/ its own lenses. The adapter itself was a donut that fit between the lens & the camera. 35mm Alpas have a flange to film distance of 37.8mm as opposed to Leica M's 27.8mm. A Leica equivalent might be quite doable because the Flex/R flange to film is 47mm as opposed to Nikon's 46.5mm which gives Leica engineers 19.2mm to work w/ in place of Alpa's 8.7mm so they should probably be able to come up w/ something. Best Regards, Michael Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_tribble Posted October 3, 2012 Share #486 Posted October 3, 2012 I will assume that you do not own or haven't used the DMR. The Nikon/Canon bodies don't come close, in any way, to the colors rendered by the DMR. They are worlds apart. I own a Nikon D3 and there's just no comparison. I spoke from ignorance and stand corrected - though as a 5D2 user I've never had strong complaints about the colour and have been able to shoot 5D2 and M9 side by side without problems (though the M9 does do a better job under tungsten). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rick_dykstra Posted October 3, 2012 Share #487 Posted October 3, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) With the DMR, because of the cropped sensor, 1/360 can be used. Really! Great. Thanks Doug. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuny Posted October 4, 2012 Share #488 Posted October 4, 2012 From the description of the EVF in the transcript of the Fotokina Q&A the EVF plugs into the M the same way that the D-Lux-5 and EVF plug together, and the EVF then takes the exact same data as the LCD on the back of the camera. This suggests that focus peaking must be usable in the EVF. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_tribble Posted October 4, 2012 Share #489 Posted October 4, 2012 This suggests that focus peaking must be usable in the EVF. Everything I've heard confirms that this is the case. It would be crazy if it wasn't - and I'd be cancelling my order. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robadibob Posted October 4, 2012 Share #490 Posted October 4, 2012 Check out the R-solution at 14624 Interesting, but not for me I don't think. What I want is a Leica digital SLR-type solution for all the glass I have with my R9. I'd be obliged for any good ideas... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted October 4, 2012 Share #491 Posted October 4, 2012 +1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_tribble Posted October 4, 2012 Share #492 Posted October 4, 2012 I talked to Len at RG Lewis today, and he confirms that focus confirmation works beautifully within the EVF. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmradman Posted October 4, 2012 Share #493 Posted October 4, 2012 Interesting, but not for me I don't think. What I want is a Leica digital SLR-type solution for all the glass I have with my R9. I'd be obliged for any good ideas... Welcome to the forum. Maybe obvious idea but i haven't seen anyone mention this before... If M (240) is not good enough for you and you can afford to fund special commission, Leica will build you one off R camera with full frame sensor. Don't scoff at me as one off commissions are nothing new with camera companies. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rick_dykstra Posted October 4, 2012 Share #494 Posted October 4, 2012 Hello Everybody, 40 years ago Alpa made an adapter that allowed a person to use Nikon auto diaphram lenses to meter by partially depressing the shutter release to meter in stop down mode & then automatically reopen the auto aperture lens for focussing & release of the shutter as w/ any Nikon auto diaphram lens on any Nikon. The Alpa it worked on was a stop down metering camera w/ its own lenses. The adapter itself was a donut that fit between the lens & the camera. 35mm Alpas have a flange to film distance of 37.8mm as opposed to Leica M's 27.8mm. A Leica equivalent might be quite doable because the Flex/R flange to film is 47mm as opposed to Nikon's 46.5mm which gives Leica engineers 19.2mm to work w/ in place of Alpa's 8.7mm so they should probably be able to come up w/ something. Best Regards, Michael Hi Michael. This is an interesting approach that I have also been thinking about. I've imagined that it wouldn't be too difficult to make an R to M adapter that has either a battery powered or spring-loaded auto-diaphragm. But before trying to build one I'll wait to see if focus peaking in the M's EVF solves my concerns about focussing long tele lenses that are stopped down. Other solutions for using my long R lenses would be to buy a second hand S2, a new S (yum!) or build a R-ankenstein, by splicing a Kodak KAF-31600 or KAI-29050 (30 & 29 megapixel sensors) into an R8 or 9, perhaps using a DMR shell. A fun weekend project. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanG Posted October 4, 2012 Share #495 Posted October 4, 2012 Hi Michael. This is an interesting approach that I have also been thinking about. I've imagined that it wouldn't be too difficult to make an R to M adapter that has either a battery powered or spring-loaded auto-diaphragm... You just have to make a version of a soft release that has a microswitch in it. A wire from that switch would then go to a small battery on the outside of the R to M adapter which would incorporate a small servo motor on the outside for the auto-diaphragm. It might need to be a bit chunky depending on what kind of servo motor is needed. If you think about it this is pretty much how flash sync was achieved in the old days of bulbs and Speed Graphics. There was a button on the flash that fired the bulb and then triggered an electromagnet that pressed on the shutter release after a slight delay. So the parts are out there and simple... someone just has to put it together. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantice Posted October 5, 2012 Share #496 Posted October 5, 2012 You just have to make a version of a soft release that has a microswitch in it........ I think adding a spring-dial mechanism can dramatically change the game - default at max. aperture; pressing the dial (or if its auto-lockable) and the lens step down and ready to shoot. I "may" give M a try if it has at least this cool feature. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeinzX Posted October 17, 2012 Share #497 Posted October 17, 2012 Hello, normally I use a M 9 plus some M lenses and a 5 D III plus many lenses from Canon. Just recently I bought a Elmarit R Macro 60 mm 2.8 in very good conditon plus the extender for eventually later use on a Leica M. In the meantime I use this lens on my 5 D III plus an adapter from Novoflex (which is solid but only mechanical, no date transfer). The lens works perfectly together with the Canon, of course with the well known restrictions (no AF, no Tv etc.) I use it in Av mode for macro shots, the best way to focus is done in Live View with magnification. That is the same way I use my Canon MP-E macro lens (a special lens without AF up to magnification 5:1). If you are interested, you can see some first pictures there: http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/technology-industry/258910-us-pocket-watch-elmarit-r-macros.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantice Posted October 18, 2012 Share #498 Posted October 18, 2012 Hello,......I use it in Av mode for macro shots, the best way to focus is done in Live View with magnification. That is the same way I use my Canon MP-E macro lens (a special lens without AF up to magnification 5:1). If you are interested, you can see some first pictures there: http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/technology-industry/258910-us-pocket-watch-elmarit-r-macros.html This is the way I use Leica R too. At first I use the viewfinder but cannot get accurate focus, then I discover that the magnified live-view is really good for (almost) stationary objects at or around the center. I am still looking for a great way to extend the use of my R-gears. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted October 19, 2012 Share #499 Posted October 19, 2012 Here is a picture of the 80-200 f4 Vario Elmar R fitted with the very neat Leitax semi-permanent R to M mount. Anyone else considering this should ask David at Leitax to provide 4 longer M1.7 x 20mm screws. The original ones are only gripping by around three turns and given the weight of this lens and the leverage on the mount, I would want at least 6 or 7 threads holding. David is sending me the longer screws, which may need to be shortened slightly. This will not be an issue with a Dremel tool. Come on Leica - get those M-240's rolling out of the gate Wilson Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/142032-the-r-solution-more-details/?do=findComment&comment=2145473'>More sharing options...
Dao De Leitz Posted October 19, 2012 Share #500 Posted October 19, 2012 Thanks for the illustration. ... come on Leica - get similar Visoflex-M Vario 80-200(-XXL) rolling out of the gate! * Greeting Thorsten (* ... not for the Visoflex EVF2 Viewfinder - for the original II,III) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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